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[166.177.185.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d17-v6sm6588365ywe.68.2018.11.12.10.55.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:55:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Referenced-Uid: 39622 Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer User-Agent: Android X-Is-Generated-Message-Id: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----1OBM2FP4Z6G0ROQGQW2JIV91XNDY8I" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Local-Message-Id: <4ad104b5-8d97-4a78-b1fd-a5cf7499241f@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:55:12 -0600 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <4ad104b5-8d97-4a78-b1fd-a5cf7499241f@gmail.com> ------1OBM2FP4Z6G0ROQGQW2JIV91XNDY8I Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I know a guy, if you can get the plate to Slobovia=2E (Bridgeport next door= )=2E =E2=81=A3Charlie=E2=80=8B On Nov 12, 2018, 12:18 PM, at 12:18 PM, "B= obby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet" wrote:= >Charlie, > > > >Thrust washers are 1mm and 3=2E5mm=2E Setup time for mil= ling may be >expensive and prone to error=2E I need the cave man solution= =2E Drill bit, >bolts and nuts=2E:) > > > >Bobby > > > >From: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet] >Sent: Monday, Novem= ber 12, 2018 10:53 AM >To: Rotary motors in aircraft >Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: 1mm thrust washer > > > >Could the same effect be achieved by milling = a depression in the 1/2" >plate? How thick are the thicker washers; 2 mm? I= f so, mill a 1mm >depression in the plate, and replace the thin 1 mm washer= with a 3rd 2 >mm washer=2E IIRC, Locktite makes a 'stickum' that could kee= p the washer >embedded in the plate, so it doesn't un-nest when the shaft i= s >unloaded=2E Would this excessively compromise the strength of the plate?= > >Charlie > >On 11/12/2018 7:10 AM, Bobby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet= wrote: > > Neil, > > > > Looking good=2E The cup ID may need to be a few= thousands over 52mm so >not sure if there=E2=80=99s room for a mounting sp= igot=2E Depending on material >thickness, the cup will fully enclose one o= f the 2MM bearings and part >of the 3=2E5mm thrust washer=2E Possibly add o= il path grooves to the front >and rear of the cup at 45 degree clocking=2E = Depending on the material >thickness the channels may need to be offset=2E = Oil channels may not be >necessary=2E > > > > Too early for wine but well= caffeinated! > > > > Bobby > > > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircra= ft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 201= 8 2:26 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm th= rust washer > > > > Kelly, I really should not draw freehand --- see if = you can make >sense of the scribble=2E Neil=2E > > > > On 11/12/2018 4:1= 5 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail=2Ecom wrote: > > Neil and All, > > N= ot sure I am visualizing the shape of the of the cup to >encapsulate the >= > 1mm thrust washer but would certainly be a customer if Randy Kempf >wer= e > > to gear up to produce them=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EHow about sketch o= f the proposed >shape > > for those of us that are somewhat mechanically i= nept=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E<:) > > > > Kelly Troyer > > >= > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 6:52 PM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail=2Ecom > wrote: > > Bobby, > > = Sorry I misunderstood you=2E By all means >contact > Randy as he ma= y be able to fit you in=2E He has a complete reduction > drive of mine = there to measure, and certainly has the machinery to >make > same=2E > = > Neil=2E > > > On 11/12/2018 7:41 AM, Bobby J=2E Hughes bhugh= es@qnsi=2Enet wrote: > > Neil > > > > I was asking if Randy would con= sider making the 1mm washer >mounting cup=2E I have a chip detector but rem= oved it due to the 1mm >washer / shaft wear creating fuzz every few hours a= nd setting off an >alert=2E I also measure the gearbox oil temp output=2E = > > > > Bobby > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Nov 11, 201= 8, at 3:15 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail=2Ecom > wrote: > >> > >> Bobby, > >> > >> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 Another way is what I >did, = was to put a temp sensor in the pSRU which will let you know if >all is not= well with elevated temps=2E=C3=82 This is standard in heavy >trucks,=C3= =82 One in the gear box, and one each in both diffs=2E=C3=82 Simple and >= effective=2E > >> > >> Neil=2E > >> > >> > >>> On 11/12/2018 6:58= AM, Neil Unger wrote: > >>> Bobby, > >>> > >>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 I put a magnet in the= >return line to catch any metal, but only got the "fuzz" you are talking >= about so simply removed it=2E > >>> > >>> Will discuss with Randy re st= ocking a chip detector=2E=C3=82 That will >be his commercial decision=2E >= >>> > >>> Neil=2E > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 11/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bobb= y J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet wrote: > >>>> Neil, > >>>> > >>>> Th= at should work=2E I believe Tracy has suggested the same >solution=2E It wo= uld allow for replacing the 1mm washer if needed=2E I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2m >thinking aluminum instead of steel to minimize any wear on the washer= >outer edge if it rotated=2E I would like to start using my gearbox chip >= detector again=2E The 1mm washer shaft contact caused enough fuzz to >activ= ate it every few hours so I removed it=2E Would this be an item >Randy Kemp= f would consider supplying? We need four in Austin TX and >I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =E2=84=A2m sure others would retrofit if the part was available=2E=C3=82 T= he cup >OD would need to increased but I think we have plenty of room to >a= ccommodate modification=2E > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Bobby > >>>= > > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 4:01 PM= , Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail=2Ecom > wrote: >= >>>>> > >>>>> Bobby, > >>>>> > >>>>> =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80= =9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83= =E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2= =80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82 >Tried my bea= ring blokes with no joy, over that size they are all >1=2E5mm=2E=C3=83=E2= =80=9A=C3=82 There is another way however if there is room=2E=C3=83=E2=80= =9A=C3=82 I suggest >a small alloy (or steel) "cup" with mounting flanges = like the washer >you want, except in the middle the 1mm washer fits flat ag= ainst the >mounting plate as usual, and the cup then tapers upwards (after = the 1mm >thick retaining hole at the bottom ) and out slightly (for say ano= ther >3mm?) to prevent the 1mm thrust washer to "jump out of bed" and movin= g >sideways=2E If it does move forward the taper will force it back into >p= lace when the load comes on again=2E=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82 My $0=2E02 worth= , > >>>>> > >>>>> Neil=2E > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > >= > > >Virus-free=2E www=2Eavast=2Ecom > > > > ------1OBM2FP4Z6G0ROQGQW2JIV91XNDY8I Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know a guy, if you can get the plate to Slo= bovia=2E (Bridgeport next door)=2E

Charlie
On Nov 12, 2018, at 12:18 PM, "Bobby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet" <= ;flyrota= ry@lancaironline=2Enet> wrote:

<= span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans= -serif";color:#1F497D">Charlie,

 

Thrust washers are 1mm and 3= =2E5mm=2E Setup time for milling may be expensive and prone to error=2E&nbs= p; I need the cave man solution=2E Drill bit, bolts and nuts=2E:)

<= /p>

 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline=2Ene= t]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 10:53 AM
To: Rotary= motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer

 

<= div>

Could the same effect be achieved by milling a d= epression in the 1/2" plate? How thick are the thicker washers; 2 mm? If so= , mill a 1mm depression in the plate, and replace the thin 1 mm washer with= a 3rd 2 mm washer=2E IIRC, Locktite makes a 'stickum' that could keep the = washer embedded in the plate, so it doesn't un-nest when the shaft is unloa= ded=2E Would this excessively compromise the strength of the plate?
Charlie

On 11/12/2018 7:10 AM, Bobby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet wrote:

Neil,

 

Looking good=2E The cup ID may need to be a= few thousands over 52mm so not sure if there=E2=80=99s room for a mounting= spigot=2E Depending on material thickness,  the cup will fully enclos= e one of the 2MM bearings and part of the 3=2E5mm thrust washer=2E Possibly= add oil path grooves to the front and rear of the cup at 45 degree clockin= g=2E Depending on the material thickness the channels may need to be offset= =2E Oil channels may not be necessary=2E

 

Too early for wine but well caffeinated= !

&nbs= p;

Bob= by

&nb= sp;

&n= bsp;

From: Rotar= y motors in aircraft [mail= to:flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet]
Sent: Monday, November 12,= 2018 2:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [F= lyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer

 

Kelly,  I really should not draw freehand= --- see if you can make sense of the scribble=2E  Neil=2E

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On 11/12= /2018 4:15 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gm= ail=2Ecom wrote:

Neil and All,

<= /p>

    Not sure I am visualizing the = shape of the of the cup to encapsulate the 

1mm thrust washer but would certainly be a customer if Ra= ndy Kempf were

to gear up to pr= oduce them=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EHow about sketch of the proposed shape

for those of us that are somewhat= mechanically inept=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E<:)

=

 

Kelly Troyer 

 

=

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 6:52 PM Neil U= nger 12348ung@gmail=2Ecom <<= a href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet">flyrotary@lancaironline=2En= et> wrote:

Bobby,

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       Sorry I misunderstood you=2E = ; By all means contact
Randy as he may be able to fit you in=2E  H= e has a complete reduction
drive of mine there to measure,  and ce= rtainly has the machinery to make
same=2E

Neil=2E


On = 11/12/2018 7:41 AM, Bobby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet wrote:
> Neil
>
&g= t; I was asking if Randy would consider making the 1mm washer mounting cup= =2E I have a chip detector but removed it due to the 1mm washer / shaft wea= r creating fuzz every few hours and setting off an alert=2E  I also me= asure the gearbox oil temp output=2E
>
> Bobby
>
> = Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Neil Ung= er 12348ung@gmail= =2Ecom <flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet> wrote:
>>
>>= Bobby,
>>
>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82  Another way is what I did, was to put= a temp sensor in the pSRU which will let you know if all is not well with = elevated temps=2E=C3=82  This is standard in heavy trucks,=C3=82 = One in the gear box, and one each in both diffs=2E=C3=82  Simple and = effective=2E
>>
>> Neil=2E
>>
>>
>= ;>> On 11/12/2018 6:58 AM, Neil Unger wrote:
>>> Bobby,>>>
>>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82  I put a magnet in the return line to = catch any metal, but only got the "fuzz" you are talking about so simply re= moved it=2E
>>>
>>> Will discuss with Randy re stoc= king a chip detector=2E=C3=82  That will be his commercial decision=2E=
>>>
>>> Neil=2E
>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bobby J=2E Hughes bhughes@qnsi=2Enet wrote:
&g= t;>>> Neil,
>>>>
>>>> That should wo= rk=2E I believe Tracy has suggested the same solution=2E It would allow for= replacing the 1mm washer if needed=2E I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking = aluminum instead of steel to minimize any wear on the washer outer edge if = it rotated=2E I would like to start using my gearbox chip detector again=2E= The 1mm washer shaft contact caused enough fuzz to activate it every few h= ours so I removed it=2E Would this be an item Randy Kempf would consider su= pplying? We need four in Austin TX and I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m sure othe= rs would retrofit if the part was available=2E=C3=82  The cup OD would= need to increased but I think we have plenty of room to accommodate modifi= cation=2E
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>&g= t; Bobby
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>&= gt;>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Neil Unger= 12348ung@gmail= =2Ecom <flyrotary@lancaironline=2Enet> wrote:
>>>>>=
>>>>> Bobby,
>>>>>
>>>>= > =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83= =E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2= =80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3= =83=E2=80=9A=C3=82  Tried my bearing blokes with no joy, over that siz= e they are all 1=2E5mm=2E=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82  There is another way h= owever if there is room=2E=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82  I suggest a small all= oy (or steel) "cup" with mounting flanges like the washer you want, except = in the middle the 1mm washer fits flat against the mounting plate as usual,= and the cup then tapers upwards (after the 1mm thick retaining hole at the= bottom ) and out slightly (for say another 3mm?) to prevent the 1mm thrust= washer to "jump out of bed" and moving sideways=2E If it does move forward= the taper will force it back into place when the load comes on again=2E=C3= =83=E2=80=9A=C3=82  My $0=2E02 worth,
>>>>>
>&= gt;>>> Neil=2E



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