X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=UschDK4B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Vky8LIrW2psuDij7SB923Q==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=JZygid9Izu4A:10 a=JHtHm7312UAA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=9ZEuY_rHQiC3YD1cvuUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Iu4sNICha3RqpTQnNmgA:9 a=xcZhF2atJVs_g6k0:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=Fc6xXSS-RxGHxrvp76Qp:22 From: "Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com" Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com ([209.85.167.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.9) with ESMTPS id 11865351 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:17:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.167.174; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r127-v6so6194205oie.3 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:17:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SEPwYHSWgUaxDSzB9fSus5/yNPf2NermAqaw7a1pg3g=; b=AfIgTsQe8oAUI36xETnuz8stldg3qugwdWtg1xoiEjNi4iAYF/Zm0pXpnno9EBPTaL 8f0fnFwUfkXzCWCkn5vvBct7tHKDR05C23QeAfDfqzV1dlgoUcBXhRVa1V41fOTxaNyI egcOq3h2wcr6axV32zGBWvN+5Yye3kjuWZm1RKxaf4spVySbRbZYqEZtSV6QAR358Zut NQKqZbSUVW0jRqn/MNAsjAPAQ96R+XkDU0tRDD1s1EEojxZNWhwq5cQal3wroR/eNrw9 suTk8gL0FFr7seaH7/iet7pMzdI3WhQaXdlaJ5UVSMg85vU5By7BEdXNsnCbjckbFrOM QtjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SEPwYHSWgUaxDSzB9fSus5/yNPf2NermAqaw7a1pg3g=; b=hyvzqPfFgOsZE98zOXsy7Zdh04QZxRito1wl1Sg6jWG2duvI6UJWTPquBC+H4KLSy0 cD+VDYLDJTRQ10zPfMWFB6atUVuojVG1ATbCImXcT+g9KZbQnpa59QL5osIc7ARNJsij dWL8hp88L80iigfPs8j7ff5CCws9C3UKWTSlYBBLOaNczgz1i8qh+lrlKMYZxOzoEF5a rhdoc8gJHfJYJy6wAQYvk7G596X1TdsZDawrRbtvOc8sppEJFTYJYIDVhiYwP7Ro5KgB XrH4CVUVkFj1jfSsJ6sdssH+xzDcGauYMW6kZpdumGigkHRPsZkinfel8iL+KN/PiEgG ZPMA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gI0UAffYFKiqxEyrfSabym8JheWzhyZu/No1IgnRocgrJ54U46O LcjhuBLQaD4FQlJyfc6lRR4cslF1NPMk0JVOmRMhyA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5drOFP2IuLgfhGnBu8Qy2jzbZyr2/XvlKb+k6lYLPZxURjXRITxESgPoxON0ygWbZ5u1yS8rZtJj1M+bgl7BNA= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4ac9:: with SMTP id x192mr113362oia.211.1541999826422; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:17:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:15:40 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e5cdf8057a70cfa8" --000000000000e5cdf8057a70cfa8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neil and All, Not sure I am visualizing the shape of the of the cup to encapsulate the 1mm thrust washer but would certainly be a customer if Randy Kempf were to gear up to produce them........How about sketch of the proposed shape for those of us that are somewhat mechanically inept...........<:) Kelly Troyer On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 6:52 PM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Bobby, > > Sorry I misunderstood you. By all means contact > Randy as he may be able to fit you in. He has a complete reduction > drive of mine there to measure, and certainly has the machinery to make > same. > > Neil. > > > On 11/12/2018 7:41 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote: > > Neil > > > > I was asking if Randy would consider making the 1mm washer mounting cup= . > I have a chip detector but removed it due to the 1mm washer / shaft wear > creating fuzz every few hours and setting off an alert. I also measure t= he > gearbox oil temp output. > > > > Bobby > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Nov 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > >> Bobby, > >> > >> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 Another way is what I did, > was to put a temp sensor in the pSRU which will let you know if all is no= t > well with elevated temps.=C3=82 This is standard in heavy trucks,=C3=82 = One in the > gear box, and one each in both diffs.=C3=82 Simple and effective. > >> > >> Neil. > >> > >> > >>> On 11/12/2018 6:58 AM, Neil Unger wrote: > >>> Bobby, > >>> > >>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82= =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 I put a magnet in the > return line to catch any metal, but only got the "fuzz" you are talking > about so simply removed it. > >>> > >>> Will discuss with Randy re stocking a chip detector.=C3=82 That will= be > his commercial decision. > >>> > >>> Neil. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 11/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote: > >>>> Neil, > >>>> > >>>> That should work. I believe Tracy has suggested the same solution. I= t > would allow for replacing the 1mm washer if needed. I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2= =84=A2m thinking aluminum > instead of steel to minimize any wear on the washer outer edge if it > rotated. I would like to start using my gearbox chip detector again. The > 1mm washer shaft contact caused enough fuzz to activate it every few hour= s > so I removed it. Would this be an item Randy Kempf would consider > supplying? We need four in Austin TX and I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m sure = others would retrofit > if the part was available.=C3=82 The cup OD would need to increased but = I think > we have plenty of room to accommodate modification. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Bobby > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Bobby, > >>>>> > >>>>> =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3= =83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80= =9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83= =E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82 Tried my > bearing blokes with no joy, over that size they are all 1.5mm.=C3=83=E2= =80=9A=C3=82 There is > another way however if there is room.=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82 I suggest a s= mall alloy (or > steel) "cup" with mounting flanges like the washer you want, except in th= e > middle the 1mm washer fits flat against the mounting plate as usual, and > the cup then tapers upwards (after the 1mm thick retaining hole at the > bottom ) and out slightly (for say another 3mm?) to prevent the 1mm thrus= t > washer to "jump out of bed" and moving sideways. If it does move forward > the taper will force it back into place when the load comes on again.=C3= =83=E2=80=9A=C3=82 > My $0.02 worth, > >>>>> > >>>>> Neil. > > > > --000000000000e5cdf8057a70cfa8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neil and All,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Not sure I am visualizing = the shape of the of the cup to encapsulate the=C2=A0
1mm thrust w= asher but would certainly be a customer if Randy Kempf were
to ge= ar up to produce them........How about sketch of the proposed shape
for those of us that are somewhat mechanically inept...........<:)

Kelly Troyer=C2=A0

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 6:52 PM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Bobby,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sorry I mis= understood you.=C2=A0 By all means contact
Randy as he may be able to fit you in.=C2=A0 He has a complete reduction drive of mine there to measure,=C2=A0 and certainly has the machinery to ma= ke
same.

Neil.


On 11/12/2018 7:41 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:
> Neil
>
> I was asking if Randy would consider making the 1mm washer mounting cu= p. I have a chip detector but removed it due to the 1mm washer / shaft wear= creating fuzz every few hours and setting off an alert.=C2=A0 I also measu= re the gearbox oil temp output.
>
> Bobby
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /a>> wrote:
>>
>> Bobby,
>>
>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 = =C3=82=C2=A0 Another way is what I did, was to put a temp sensor in the pSR= U which will let you know if all is not well with elevated temps.=C3=82=C2= =A0 This is standard in heavy trucks,=C3=82=C2=A0 One in the gear box, and = one each in both diffs.=C3=82=C2=A0 Simple and effective.
>>
>> Neil.
>>
>>
>>> On 11/12/2018 6:58 AM, Neil Unger wrote:
>>> Bobby,
>>>
>>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82= =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3= =82 =C3=82=C2=A0 I put a magnet in the return line to catch any metal, but = only got the "fuzz" you are talking about so simply removed it. >>>
>>> Will discuss with Randy re stocking a chip detector.=C3=82=C2= =A0 That will be his commercial decision.
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:
>>>> Neil,
>>>>
>>>> That should work. I believe Tracy has suggested the same s= olution. It would allow for replacing the 1mm washer if needed. I=C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking aluminum instead of steel to minimize any wear on= the washer outer edge if it rotated. I would like to start using my gearbo= x chip detector again. The 1mm washer shaft contact caused enough fuzz to a= ctivate it every few hours so I removed it. Would this be an item Randy Kem= pf would consider supplying? We need four in Austin TX and I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =E2=84=A2m sure others would retrofit if the part was available.=C3=82=C2= =A0 The cup OD would need to increased but I think we have plenty of room t= o accommodate modification.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bobby
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobby,
>>>>>
>>>>> =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83= =E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2= =80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3= =83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0 Tried my bearing blokes with no jo= y, over that size they are all 1.5mm.=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0 There is a= nother way however if there is room.=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0 I suggest a= small alloy (or steel) "cup" with mounting flanges like the wash= er you want, except in the middle the 1mm washer fits flat against the moun= ting plate as usual, and the cup then tapers upwards (after the 1mm thick r= etaining hole at the bottom ) and out slightly (for say another 3mm?) to pr= event the 1mm thrust washer to "jump out of bed" and moving sidew= ays. If it does move forward the taper will force it back into place when t= he load comes on again.=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0 My $0.02 worth,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil.





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