X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=UschDK4B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=KEL5k4CtlTUHR7+issqm/A==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=JHtHm7312UAA:10 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=nHdCfLTXPwybtR-DRRcA:9 a=CvCXt05tXi2YKwX5:21 a=hjrmIPT8uTaY4-ui:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=Fc6xXSS-RxGHxrvp76Qp:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pg1-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.9) with ESMTPS id 11851907 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:21:11 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.172; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pg1-f172.google.com with SMTP id z10so5909940pgp.7 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:21:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=qXAZK3Gje1LOAQVq51HM9qGEXjevxl5Dcme8KsmXDTE=; b=uLDrtjQXkhKj5olw7A+hpto/kboeBKvuagiBt11kQRExy4aX2ujf7HiDPItHbzN2cR FHOtgzn3sN1OzPfPWni769FBA60iF7utqQVPxvCJ+Xmhs8+yxQiMfiEBir/g9vIOQVb9 yVQzUgs8lxrZPcoPRGpcbEj/snFPxW1MXzzUN84Zj4qKnU8DdMq4TnQGDlgjoeSG9hEF Um0D7/nLooVWWJAVeH4QJxn8JAnqsKFe02QvYxV8Ydz/j+3blBqmsfCrEjA64xpYjETW tXDNDQlSx/b97w5yO9PzhOCPNu5RcR+m9dXQgLwWquSe1veaK2MR78tssF6+hpBGio4L PEGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=qXAZK3Gje1LOAQVq51HM9qGEXjevxl5Dcme8KsmXDTE=; b=HJivwvqq5pSniInI0jY0wtZ0Qq0kpw9ILuSTgtpGSae0LkfU9tKvdwRCaeCGthNoBT KLkJcvZjkcZKC967QVDkZhzqRMd8UU2AshWdgTf43Wnq7+vjqdMJy8X0TE1Uh5KBXmqg hphGCBW0XpsHdSScMt+Kjp1r4YmJXVXhDG0C+dN3UgIpAMv49cllg/wudAoelZgeyWKv cKC4UNf1iKzBXbodXgGK6/++7lZyyzkbyb7lrhzv34Jyen1BLG3cjFO4unGmzBwvWuml 309ZjvQy+HohDxgSoMmncmzC0GV686qUguMLxyebUhzbhpi/uxRU+BQ8TEmRKGvcvlXr 6xnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJvA8kLTTrfKaieJtms/c7dTZEWrbkwlgIfBWgwc5AdH49uW9m1 bvVUkZ9UoNXwKrLIK12nAFcLxDus X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5ctar/zTxVGMblZ/muCNaXrO6uswS3TlD+W2YMv+QIXpdIq8170kEOanqQEaBTS5zjBms7xXg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:1560:: with SMTP id 32mr1393590pgv.383.1541622053478; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i88-v6sm2580430pfi.66.2018.11.07.12.20.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:20:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: cushion drive - retrofit questions. To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <06875c52-436f-3dd4-b4e6-58dec7539977@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 07:20:48 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Bobby,                   There is no need to replace the input shaft on the RD1-C just to fit my cushion drive.  My input shaft is identical except it is machined from solid and a one piece shaft.--- and much dearer! Bearing stack,  if you use my shaft exactly the same stack required. Yes snubber washer thickness is unique as distances vary slightly.  I am happy with 5  - 10 thou clearance as the washer is to only contact when the prop is driving the engine which  allows the input shaft to move forwards.  The snubber washer simply prevents metal to metal contact in that situation.  I do know of one redrive that is operating without the washer at all and all it seems to do is allow oil leakage from the seal on the input shaft as it travels back and forth, (if it actually does?) End play I believe is difficult to check as drag on the parts, when stationery, seem to make shaft movement impossible.  But it is possible in theory for the shaft to move, hence the nylon washer.  As you say gear lash is simple. Neil. On 11/8/2018 1:34 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote: > Neil, > > I've got a few questions about the input shaft replacement. > Does the replacement input shaft use the same thrust washer stack at the RD1-C? > If a replacement shaft was retrofitted how does that affect the molly infused snubber washer tolerance? I believe it would be unique for each drive. Not sure what the acceptable tolerance range is. > 0.50 - 1" movement seems like a lot. There may be some movement in my RD1C but I'm not aware of it. I check lashing and endplay before each flight but never noticed any movement other than lashing. > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 12:15 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] cushion drive > > Charlie,  Photo attached,.  Should the rubber fail then the inner drive block will simply lock up on the outer square giving metal to metal which should last quite some time (hours) before wearing either away. The rubber is "engine mount" rubber so will only deteriorate slowly and not just explode and disappear completely. To test for wear you simply rock the prop and any more than 1 inch movement would suggest a problem as in deterioration in the rubber.  I can only get a half inch movement which is in the gear drive train.  The rubber can be re-vulcanised if it is ever necessary.  I have now in excess of 50 hours with the rubber insert for no visible wear.. > > Neil Unger. > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html