Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #64294
From: Accountlehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: ignition system
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:55:55 +0000 (UTC)
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
You can start up, idle and run at full power with no timing changes at all on a normally aspirated rotary.  We raced for years on just 20 degrees BTDC.  A NA rotary runs just fine on regular car gas without alcohol. Mix one ounce per gallon of 2 cycle oil to the fuel, or inject same. Idle at 1800 to 2000 RPM to keep the engine above reversal speeds and so preserve the speed reduction box.
For high RPM use, 24 to 27 degrees BTDC is a common setting for racing engines operating above
9,500 RPM. A bit more for drag racers above 12,000 RPM.
A crank trigger with one reluctor and two pickups 180 degrees apart, one for each housing works fine. An MSD or Mallory HiFire firing a double ended coil for each housing. Dead simple. Difficult to get your mind around at first, but then like a light bulb over your head.........bing....there it is. No distributor of any kind is required.

I put up drawings and pictures years ago, and will again if I can find them.

Lynn E. Hanover


In a message dated 9/17/2018 2:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Yeah, still want to advance timing.  Really only need 3 speed settings,
Idle -- does not matter really.  Then full power and cruise speed are
the two that matter.  I am having all sports of grief with Fuel Tech
having spent  $4000 AUD on it.  It is good but as always complicated.  A
carby plus simple ignition will do. The Rotec carby for $800 is so
simple and runs on 5 PSI.  Trigger wheel would be a reasonably simple
change.


On 9/17/2018 11:26 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote:
> On 9/16/2018 7:33 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote:
>> On 9/16/2018 4:35 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>>                   The cost of an ECU is around the $3000 plus
>>> possibly $4000 with a few fittings, which is substantial.  To
>>> simplify things a standard carby with a basic ignition systems would
>>> take a lot of money from the project.  What alternatives are there
>>> for a simple cheap ignition system to replace an ECU?
>>>
>>> Neil Unger.
>> Are you willing to change the trigger wheel? You could look at the
>> Mega Jolt (ignition only). It requires a 36-1 wheel, like Ford uses
>> here in the USA (might be the same down under).
>>
>> If you're interested in alternatives in full injection/ignition
>> controllers, the Micro Squirt & Mega Squirt systems can both be set
>> up for a rotary. Micro Squirt will have batch fired injectors (like
>> almost all aftermarket systems for aviation engines). Mega Squirt can
>> be set up just about any way you can dream up.
>>
>> The Micro Squirt controller with harness is about $400 US. The Mega
>> Squirt controller is about $600 US.
>>
>> The car guys love them. Here's a link to an RX-7 forum page on the
>> Mega Squirt:
>>
>> Charlie
> Oops; forgot. Len Hanover has published a method using just a couple
> of trigger detectors and (IIRC) Chrysler ignition modules. Same can be
> done with GM HEI modules. Downside is fixed timing.
>
> Charlie
>
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