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[184.166.88.214]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n6-v6sm1402237ywe.89.2018.08.22.20.07.25 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12000A53B43B4FD8BFEF7DB33BC13AB9@OwnerPC> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: NOT Re: [FlyRotary] Re: flyrotary : Re Tension Bolts REALLY FLEXPLATE Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:07:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0145_01D43A5C.1AB181F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01D43A5C.1AB181F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Listers If you don=E2=80=99t change the subject line, finding an item in the = archives will be impossible.=20 Bill Schertz From: mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flyrotary : Re Tension Bolts The flex plate broke during pylon racing School in June 2011 so the = repair would have been July and August of 2011. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 5:35 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com = wrote: Dave Leonard,=20 What year were you at Reno ? That will make finding your series of E mails and photos of your flywheel conversion a lot=20 easier to find in the Archives for those interested in replacing their stock flex-plate flywheels........... Thanks, Kelly Troyer On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:53 PM, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com = wrote: Hi Bobby,=20 Yes, no new torbo failures since I decided to keep TOT (the only = place I measure exhaust) less than 890C. Basically, I treat it like an = aircraft engine. Rich of peak for climbing and decending (TOT around = 810C) then lean at altitude when the MAP is lower (around 870C). Peak = TOT is around 915C. =20 Dave Leonard=20 On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 3:18 PM Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net = wrote: Dave=20 How is the turbo holding up? Is keeping EGT=E2=80=99s under 1600F = keeping it alive? Bobby=20 500 hrs Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:06 PM, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com = wrote: Thanks Kelly!=20 Yes, I am still using the flywheel and strongly suggest not = using the flex plate. Adaption was easy with a trip to a local machine = shop. Details are in the archives.=20 On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 2:41 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com = wrote: Dave,=20 Not aware of a flexplate/flywheel replacement made = specifically for use with=20 Tracy's redrive but Dave Leonard (Turbo/13B-RV6) adapted an = aluminum racing manual transmission flywheel to his redrive after his = flexplate developed serious cracks while qualifying to race at the Reno National Air-Races = several years ago. Perhaps Dave will jump in here with how he did it.......I = know there are a series=20 of E mails in the archives with photos of how he did it....As = far as I know he still is flying with this flywheel........FWIW Kelly Troyer On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Pam & Dave Williams = padajute@idcnet.com wrote: Hello, I am looking for a flex plate for hooking up my 13B to Tracy = Crooks redrive. If that is not available, is anybody making a flywheel = replacement? Thanks, Dave Williams=20 Whitewater WI -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flyrotary : Re Tension Bolts I too broke a tension bolt several years ago and was = fortunate enough to get a set of the NEW ones 0.500" from a friend - highly = recommended. Mazda increased the size of those bolts for a reason and my = original set were all spiraled with silicone ... put a little silicone on = the 0.50" as well. Jeff Dave, Run a spiral of RTV around the body of those tension bolts = next time you remove them. That will pretty much eliminate the vibration = breakage. Don't put it on the threads. Bill B Hello, I am a newbie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and = Tracy's controls with his redrive. To this point I have been very pleased = with the combination. Last month I broke a tension bolt and have = ordered new and improved .500" bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts = broke from vibration. I have 20 hours on the motor and never had any = cooling issues. I suppose that means I am over cooled, but that is okay with = me. I will make cooling improvements when I am back in the air. My 13B is = stock and I run it at 6,300 RPM. Thanks, Dave Williams --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01D43A5C.1AB181F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Listers
If you don=E2=80=99t change the subject line, finding an item in = the archives will=20 be impossible.
Bill Schertz
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flyrotary : Re Tension=20 Bolts
 
The flex plate broke during pylon racing School in June 2011 so the = repair=20 would have been July and August of 2011.
 
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 5:35 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20 wrote:
Dave Leonard,=20
 
     What year were you at Reno ? That will = make=20 finding your
series of E mails and photos of your flywheel conversion a lot =
easier to find in the Archives for those interested in = replacing
their stock flex-plate flywheels...........
 
Thanks,
Kelly Troyer
 
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:53 PM, David = Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Hi Bobby,=20
 
Yes, no new torbo failures since I decided to keep TOT (the = only place=20 I measure exhaust) less than 890C.  Basically,  I treat it = like an=20 aircraft engine.  Rich of peak for climbing and decending (TOT = around=20 810C) then lean at altitude when the MAP is lower  (around = 870C). =20 Peak TOT is around 915C. 
 
Dave Leonard
 
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 3:18 PM Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Dave=20
 
How is the turbo holding up?  Is keeping EGT=E2=80=99s = under 1600F=20 keeping it alive?
 
Bobby
500 hrs
 
Sent=20 from my iPad

On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:06 PM, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:

Thanks Kelly!=20
Yes, I am still using the flywheel and strongly suggest not = using=20 the flex plate.  Adaption was easy with a trip to a local = machine=20 shop.  Details are in the archives.
 
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 2:41 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:
Dave,=20
 
   Not aware of a flexplate/flywheel = replacement made=20 specifically for use with
Tracy's redrive but Dave Leonard (Turbo/13B-RV6) adapted = an=20 aluminum racing
manual transmission flywheel to his redrive after his = flexplate=20 developed serious
cracks while qualifying to race at the Reno National = Air-Races=20 several years ago.
 
  Perhaps Dave will jump in here with how he did = it.......I=20 know there are a series
of E mails in the archives with photos of how he did = it....As far=20 as I know he still
is flying with this flywheel........FWIW
 
Kelly Troyer
 
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Pam = & Dave=20 Williams padajute@idcnet.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:
Hello,

I=20 am looking for a flex plate for hooking up my 13B to Tracy = Crooks=20 redrive.
If that is not available, is anybody making a = flywheel=20 replacement?

Thanks,
Dave Williams
Whitewater=20 WI

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: = Friday,=20 June 29, 2018 9:37 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: flyrotary : Re Tension Bolts

I too = broke a=20 tension bolt several years ago and was fortunate enough to = get
a=20 set of the NEW ones 0.500" from a friend - highly=20 recommended.
Mazda increased the size of those bolts for = a reason=20 and my original set
were all spiraled with silicone ... = put a=20 little silicone on the 0.50"=20 as
well.
Jeff


Dave,

Run a spiral of = RTV=20 around the body of those tension bolts next time = you
remove=20 them.  That will pretty much eliminate the vibration=20 breakage.  Don't
put it on the threads.

Bill=20 B

Hello,

I am a newbie on the site. I have a = Tailwind=20 with a 13B and Tracy's controls
with his redrive. To this = point I=20 have been very pleased with the
combination. Last month I = broke a=20 tension bolt and have ordered new and
improved .500" = bolts from=20 Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from
vibration. = I have=20 20 hours on the motor and never had any cooling issues. = I
suppose=20 that means I am over cooled, but that is okay with me. I = will=20 make
cooling improvements when I am back in the air. My = 13B is=20 stock and I run it
at 6,300 RPM.

Thanks,
Dave=20 Williams



 
 
 
 
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Dyke=20 = Delta_"Eventually"
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