X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=QoAc5h6d c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hLcLIkTLg2nAAMYxL9XpIw==:117 a=dapMudl6Dx4A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7a-9sf-95f5higlfJtUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Tr8nuKu5vpAA:10 a=1tW7x2hHfKbyk1wNbSAA:9 a=E2F_eOq1ujZjFERu:21 a=B_RyunTPg8udlmYm5Cu2:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 From: "Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au" Received: from mail-qt0-f180.google.com ([209.85.216.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.6) with ESMTPS id 11510935 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:02:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.180; envelope-from=andrew@martinag.com.au Received: by mail-qt0-f180.google.com with SMTP id y5-v6so15683211qti.12 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=martinag-com-au.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qdI3YbcwIWl5KKbN2GNlfWAv8+d3nu6AWoqeF1AyL5c=; b=ah2FqQH0BDElfQI8F58O37YqkbK+zekHRHA7y65uCIq42awZ6yl4QpebwB0ChDJbnR cKp93DHnx4oLUjbQihtEHQARvpxQKFKAAmxFYLDvyHWOcqgymfh5uEm0JRWoLdqSNa6q 5Qz01rTPxZcGh/PZwsSS7cq8aWGGp4HLfCl22x7h81PWKLvwT+QAVp4v5e0IOpkF9zsY 5d/dT+GPutNM0xOisHfM+VSi9NDb78j91gKc5ZVw9r7Y1htHRvDFvyBCKfU26ThcWiQg 8GEQibfruNAvRQU/eygMW0mb+G8KO45u+ARffUaeV2186YqnROtuAi+ux28SM17JjwLN ZCYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qdI3YbcwIWl5KKbN2GNlfWAv8+d3nu6AWoqeF1AyL5c=; b=YpHNc6NFYMnT/q6yWpkk3HSSjeW2+0rX3mpMnZgI0oKNHbtHIwTBwYPHpaVQRlqIuM tXm/BZRKEIDk4sb5Wd4Zy0u8lhDOFIjc/678mYyY6qYvfNa6vJ+TJkOaCFCxhwe8v4rI oM8Hcgn7SRP76X+01f7oVhyuNdYy3275lTUFH5+pum/t7rTjl6f3gqN2VMPT9LwbezTN 7AUfoqickdotkv/8wpxICna/aMcf7Jl4IdxK0ibKdXDC4veplCPwbajsUtLNfEqVv31k HE5sg8spxJsS7h5FUmHs0okIphLZhq+I/tIdv3gZqBGTHabkVNMhvBkoW8z+oXQyw2CA eetg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlE41aztyMtFjAlhcXy7JRWReSsB4esGQYE1lTObDKiyBtn6X0cE K4vqsMo3DOaag56sujPb1Jm6Pcxro+KgoaPa+TO1t7o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPxiFCpMw49T5UvHIypgnqbY6dZbg8KJX1dif7XYxzj1F6MxhC4BrE37/AzzEmx/Xjzbe2Mm6oaF6RJQqe3CeUE= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:ada8:: with SMTP id w37-v6mr13390715qvc.107.1534118551693; Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:02:19 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: wiring To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005141fd057345cf76" --0000000000005141fd057345cf76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got an engine buss connectect direct to battery, power goes through fuses to toggle switches to each component. Pretty straight forward & simple. Having another way of power to the engine buss would not have helped as power would still not have got past the corroded fuse. Redundant system would entail complete duplicate system right to the connector on each component with diodes where they join, this at the moment is just too much for me to contemplate. Will look at better circuit breakers though. Andrew On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 7:13 am, Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Does your wiring include an essential buss for all devices needed to keep > the engine running? > > Using the AeroElectric scheme you have *two independent* ways to get > power to the essential buss. > > If your dual fuel pumps,, leading / trailing ignition and > primary/secondary fuel injectors are on the essential buss it takes at > least two major power supply failures to stop the engine. > > > > I agree with Bobby =E2=80=93 circuit breakers are more reliable than fuse= s for > essential items. Also =E2=80=93 I had *a rocker switch fail* to make goo= d > contact =E2=80=93 changed all out *to hard snapping toggle switches..* > > > > Dennis H. > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com > *Sent: *Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:18 PM > *To: *Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: wiring > > > > Andrew, Electrics -- I hate them as all looks the same if it works or > not. At least with mechanics you get a half gear missing which is obviou= s, > not so with electrics. I wired my fuses with a 30 amp fuse so that witho= ut > a solid short it should never trip. Redundancy is the never ending > discussion --- just where do you stop? LIke Dick Smith said, we need > "affordable" safety, not a full second plane towed behind. Only time I > have trouble starting is if batteries get below 11 volts, otherwise secon= d > turn every time -- noise. > > Question to all, just what sort of connection can I put in my electrical > circuit to take jumper leads?? My baron had a female plug on the outside > for those occasions. I want something similar on the inside that I can > plug into without having to dismantle the seats to get to the batteries. > Bad enough having to find another battery let alone a full tool kit as > well. Suggestions?? > > Neil Unger. > > > > > --=20 Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag --0000000000005141fd057345cf76 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got an engine buss connectect direct to battery, p= ower goes through fuses to toggle switches to each component. Pretty straig= ht forward & simple. Having another way of power to the engine buss wou= ld not have helped as power would still not have got past the corroded fuse= . Redundant system would entail complete duplicate system right to the conn= ector on each component with diodes where they join, this at the moment is = just too much for me to contemplate.
Will look= at better circuit breakers though.
Andrew

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 7:1= 3 am, Dennis Haverlah clouduste= r@austin.rr.com <flyr= otary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Does your wiring inclu= de an essential buss for all devices needed to keep the engine running?

=

Using the AeroElectric scheme you have two indepe= ndent ways to get power to the essential buss.

If your dual fuel pumps,, leading / trailing ignition and primary/seconda= ry fuel injectors are on the essential buss it takes at least two major pow= er supply failures to stop the engine.

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I agree with Bobby =E2=80=93 circuit b= reakers are more reliable than fuses for essential items.=C2=A0 Also =E2=80= =93 I had a rocker switch fail to make good contact =E2=80=93 change= d all out to hard snapping toggle switches..

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Dennis H.

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Sent from Mail for = Windows 10

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From: Neil Unger 12348ung@= gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:18 PM
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: wiring

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Andrew,=C2=A0=C2=A0 Electrics -- I hate them as all looks the= same if it works or not.=C2=A0 At least with mechanics you get a half gear= missing which is obvious, not so with electrics.=C2=A0 I wired my fuses wi= th a 30 amp fuse so that without a solid short it should never trip.=C2=A0 = Redundancy is the never ending discussion --- just where do you stop?=C2=A0= LIke Dick Smith said, we need "affordable" safety, not a full se= cond plane towed behind.=C2=A0 Only time I have trouble starting is if batt= eries get below 11 volts, otherwise second turn every time -- noise.

= Question to all, just what sort of connection can I put in my electrical ci= rcuit to take jumper leads??=C2=A0 My baron had a female plug on the outsid= e for those occasions.=C2=A0 I want something similar on the inside that I = can plug into without having to dismantle the seats to get to the batteries= .=C2=A0 Bad enough having to find another battery let alone a full tool kit= as well.=C2=A0 Suggestions??

Neil Unger.

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