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[97.44.1.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c85-v6sm8148248pfd.110.2018.08.02.15.41.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:40:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Damaged - Internal Short Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15F79) Yep, just like all those cars on the road. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 2, 2018, at 15:57, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >=20 > You have a wire directly from battery to alternator B+ ? >=20 > Finn >=20 >> On 8/2/2018 2:15 PM, Tracy Crook rwstracy@gmail.com wrote: >> Nothing, just direct wired. Not saying a fuse wouldn=E2=80=99t be a good= idea though. Like someone already said, something just over the alternator r= ating. You are protecting against internal short to ground alternator failu= re. It would not protect against overvolt failure though. Those are pretty= rare. >>=20 >> In your case, the solenoid may have both caused the alternator failure an= d then acted as fuse to protect against shorting the battery to ground. >>=20 >> Tracy >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:02, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Tracy, that is an interesting comment. Sounds like a fuse would have= been a better bet than the alternator solenoid - but what do you replace th= e battery solenoid with? >>> Jeff >>>=20 >>> The sequence of failure is a question. The relay failing and going open= might have been the first in the chain. Many alternators will fail interna= lly when all load is removed due to over volting. Most Automotive alternato= rs were not designed for no load operation. >>>=20 >>> I've never been an advocate for either battery or alternator solenoid us= e. They cause more problems than they solve. >>>=20 >>> Tracy >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jeff Whaley >>> Sent: August-02-18 10:41 AM >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>> Subject: Alternator Damaged - Internal Short >>>=20 >>> Last Thursday I decided to try my cooling on a hot day 32C (90F); orbiti= ng the airport, the cooling wasn't too bad but while waiting for the temps t= o stabilize I smelled smoke so landed immediately. Saw a bit of smoke exiti= ng the oil cooler plenum so thought I was baking some fiberglass. >>> On the weekend I did a more thorough inspection and found the battery ma= ins cable burned where attached to my alternator cut-out relay and the relay= fried to the point that the input terminal was loose. The connections stay= ed in place but open-circuited the relay - so the engine never skipped a bea= t and I was unaware there was an electrical problem at the time. Only report= ing this now as it took me a while to get the alternator tested. >>> Jeff >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Li= st.html >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Lis= t.html >>=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html