Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #64210
From: Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Damaged - Internal Short
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:19:53 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I don't remember electrical issues being discussed much on this list, but they probably should be discussed more.  :-)  I'm a big believer in the Matronics Aeroelectric list. The 'patriarch' of the list is Bob Nuckolls, who has at least 4 decades of experience in the certified a/c world, and wrote 'the book' on homebuilt electrical systems. No homebuilt should be wired without it. :-) He sells printed copies, or you can download it for free from the Aeroelectric web site.

Protecting B-leads has been discussed quite a bit over there. Something that any circuit designer would say is that the circuit protection protects the *wire*; not any devices in the circuit. The alternator B-lead can be confusing, since the alternator is supplying power. BUT, the wire should be sized to handle anything that the alternator can throw at it. (Alternators are self-limiting; they can only deliver a slight amount more current than their rating.) So the alternator can never damage the wire. However, the battery *can* damage the wire, as Jeff discovered. So....B-lead protection needs to be on the *battery end* of the B-lead. Not at the battery itself, of course, unless the B-lead goes all the way to the battery terminal. But where ever the smaller sized B-lead is terminated, closest to the battery. Sizing the protection could vary a bit, depending on what type of device is used. Some fuses are quite fast acting, and need to be up-sized quite a bit to avoid nuisance trips, but a lot of the higher current 'current limiter' (hate that term) devices have quite long time constants and can be sized at the rating of the wire itself.

Jeff, congrats on getting it on the ground quick. If the relay hadn't burned open, the battery would have been depleted pretty quickly. Did your low voltage monitor light up?

Charlie



On 8/2/2018 10:44 AM, Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au wrote:
My fuse is 100amp mounted close to the B post on an 80 amp alternator

Andrew




On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Bobby, no I did not fuse the B lead.  What amperage would it be if installed?
Jeff

Jeff,

Do you have a fuse in the B lead?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Whaley
Sent: August-02-18 10:41 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: Alternator Damaged - Internal Short

Last Thursday I decided to try my cooling on a hot day 32C (90F); orbiting the airport, the cooling wasn't too bad but while waiting for the temps to stabilize I smelled smoke so landed immediately.  Saw a bit of smoke exiting the oil cooler plenum so thought I was baking some fiberglass.
On the weekend I did a more thorough inspection and found the battery mains cable burned where attached to my alternator cut-out relay and the relay fried to the point that the input terminal was loose.  The connections stayed in place but open-circuited the relay - so the engine never skipped a beat and I was unaware there was an electrical problem at the time. Only reporting this now as it took me a while to get the alternator tested.
Jeff

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