X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=QoAc5h6d c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=madzYepRT85sIZDoMlm//Q==:117 a=qxuwSOeifgoA:10 a=ZRMmsru8XDcA:10 a=Ouhxy7i4K90A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=R9QF1RCXAYgA:10 a=4o4WKVwN0o4A:10 a=PP8GLCsj8cqJrUUHofUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 From: "Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com" Received: from [104.47.34.50] (HELO NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.6) with ESMTPS id 11460330 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:58:01 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=104.47.34.50; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=IDCO365.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-datacast-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=w2kBwD/mOLzp/FKh+CcjqaIsgZuOljrRZ3mUfp2dzG4=; b=iGObC2XZX33PvmEtWFqOBNlm8XGbsCD84H2eM95wSJH/6cSznMUrwkN8lAB6y9/H1/8JztCiN5URjQBcPFvLMoXD7t1OVg1FeLTYY0/mTrN4Qt4w5N8BEtT1tudmatWb0PWxFWV5RPaEuy+COoJofidtw+JQN831KsSMGuPvGxI= Received: from MW2PR18MB2235.namprd18.prod.outlook.com (52.132.183.32) by MW2PR18MB2153.namprd18.prod.outlook.com (52.132.183.10) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.995.21; 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received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: datacast.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: EjRSk/DIcgMaNfO/86/jHsv+XXQdQAWgmRn4joogZNwPFwB3cGfqeg4xYVPzF5G3E9BhnRlzeDdPPKfikaS1A3Clj/0c3RanZxDDSHMJf/KT5kOoet031B4bCj1XXV5bwyXaJsL0/2Rh3pUVwmZ57K0gORmaj1RTNf1JoYQAmH6+xTOiFhjwsO31uvDq0PTYKLVGvq8pD6wJd28VLfJo5js+0SOUh73j2IB8H9R6fHUxSGhNIX2v0O8eInY33WVGUDRHicpnPC8Xuk/ARDdrLiG/+sttcDQ0ZQxAV0ypxeTrke3G3blJiMnyw/bYDpWE28xalZGW0lHqPbbEjBbzifAOARRZtYhlSVSFPY4A5L0= spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: datacast.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 5bbc35dd-9c58-478b-25c4-08d5f7177e6f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 Jul 2018 18:57:41.9544 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: a07f70c7-0440-4b97-b25f-a93dca3f0980 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW2PR18MB2153 Charlie: Yeah my drawing isn't too good -- done free-hand with a mouse in "= paint" ... Kelly: That is a great looking rad and hose options kit from Rywire ... Steve: I remember your write-up on the Vee belly radiator and scoop but not= sure if your air is entering at the wide end of Vee (I think yes because o= f hose connectors visible) ... I'm thinking of similar except under the cow= ling. I don't have a metal under-belly for attachment nor the airspeed of = your RV, so with the same setup your machine would have 1.5 - 1.7 times the= cooling capacity. Like WWII fighters with V12 liquid-cooled engines, it a= ppears that efficient cooling relies on airspeed as much as anything else. Jeff Mine's on the side. When I flipped the angle, I was able to move the rad af= t quite a bit, which gave me more room to tilt out (down, for you?) at the = front. Regardless of tilt, your bottom drawing's dashed line is much close= r to what worked for me. Except mines a relatively smooth curve all the way= to the inlet. It's worth playing with the cardboard & tape to find the mos= t effective curve. My 1st effort, which was after Tracy's advice, still had= nowhere near enough pinch at the aft end. I had to fill back there with sp= ray foam and re-contour quite a bit. Once I got even flow across the core, = I glassed over the new foam. I hate to keep saying this, but mine hasn't flown. I know the air flow is e= ven across the face of the core, but I really don't know how *much* air is = flowing. But it is scaled fairly closely to what Tracy did in the RV-8/20B = install, so I'm hopeful.=20 Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Whaley=20 Sent: July-31-18 12:04 PM To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Subject: RE: Using Fluidyne oil coolers as Primary Radiator Yes, I did consider tilting the front end down Vs up but what I remember is= there becomes an interference with the 90 degree 1.5 inch hose connections= into the radiator as they get up against the engine and mount ... it looks= better from the "French curve" diffuser aspect ... the drawing isn't to sc= ale either so there is also a limit to the down-tilt before the cowling get= s really ugly. Jeff