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[166.177.187.148]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z128-v6sm5305957ywe.38.2018.07.30.14.21.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Using Fluidyne oil coolers as Primary Radiator To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:22:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180730-4, 07/30/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 7/30/2018 4:10 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote: > On 7/30/2018 3:53 PM, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: >> We know the Fluidyne series of oil coolers work well to cool our oil ... >> Does anyone care to comment on how they might work as primary >> radiators for the water jacket if placed in a Vee formation? Open at >> the front and narrowed together at the back as per diagram attached. >> I think in most installations this is a more efficient air flow path. >> The DB-30618 x 2 have 0.75 inch connectors and 210 sq in of surface >> area Vs the GRI-2-58185-X Griffon radiator with 247 sq in of surface >> area. >> Jeff >> > 1st, let me say, 'I don't know'. :-) > > Having said that.... > > If you're doubling the face area vs a single cooler perpendicular to > the duct, then it will probably cool a bit better, but nowhere near > twice as good. If you're feeding that configuration from a straight > duct, my money would be on most of the flow being through the last > third of each cooler. It looks like basically a two sided wedge, and I > can say from experience that a wedge diffuser will do what I > described, unless the downstream end is pinched down so it almost > touches the face of the cooler. Perhaps a flow divider (more or less a > diamond shape) to supply the pinch effect would balance the flow. > > It's easy enough to see the effect. Get a couple of junk coolers > (anything would do to test, as long as they're the same cooler). Mount > them in a cardboard duct using (wait for it...) duct tape, and feed it > air using your leaf blower. Tie a thread (yard works better; it's > lighter for it's cross section) to a thin stick, and move it around > the exit faces. You'll quickly see where the air is moving through the > cores (and where it's not). > > Charlie Duh. Wish I could blame spelling errors on autocorrect... That should be 'yarn', not 'yard'. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus