X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=QoAc5h6d c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UJi4IrpgaKoH28dwFe8g/A==:117 a=jPsZSCDiNC6GXCv+2nuxLw==:17 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=A-0mRrAPPO4A:10 a=R9QF1RCXAYgA:10 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=vqcInDLb4LVomSe9nJAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=NPqpj5bUEVj9vR1HIonK:22 From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.161.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.6) with ESMTPS id 11455546 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:09:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.179; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-yw0-f179.google.com with SMTP id j68-v6so4932576ywg.1 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=y1PqAlb7uEBJgSZCWXbeulR0WGA3xLZGYtdT4EwLu8U=; b=L39g3Ux0ior4jtcauNu7qRT9mjQYKFiKVJRcgwyO+M0EC2cP01dEVf5CbpJUSesqNp M+OnTLGHMFfoy9GSsZxM6+hywmegHhwm03B2Uz/EBAnQdP/LuJIRsQpAArj/F+6L2j20 3FfcX4cdEPGoEDYdmGa7q+3NHlooGXZPLdDOArq4mg7uHaGzFzGNZapt196hJSyhrdCQ rW/p/TmZtycJEpUvc4amv8QE7Uzo7QnlMAog0SwtGUR8BK27KgcFWG2jV5RkEppBKvT7 MWIY1aVwjIAbdL03Mg7hKxn1GTgDBWhKkMxM50r8aAaOv/zQnLUbdF+0fTERBwv67NoG +BRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=y1PqAlb7uEBJgSZCWXbeulR0WGA3xLZGYtdT4EwLu8U=; b=kSRVy40+IGhT9Yj7Pbdtlx3n3EsocYw6xQ13u28zLplfEqMwH3htXh8iRTQm7faqus V+fX9EGwLsxs+ICT2MYb6BN/KsxQGVojn6qimqYb6uiSQbbwwneZSNkWvf2j4aZeVoKY FuTpSsOqd5vMEQ8wHaLPIPNJL2oXfUDYf15MnNUOf4QePMekXZjE8mHm1pSGa7SZaVqC 0NIFyiIBoobc4qHVGfGr9EhC1bSb4bM1pK+1RQcUWrARQ39FJslblsuHDfO8k3/tobdz RH7e3UGDE6RBS0l7CtgbYEDGe0GGy/LlTVneyn91QdfwgEN9LmhsjC9OZzjPE5RTMJJa nBDw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlH9nVdxPml8xIFCSP4ggTgSfiSpwUEG2o8aRP1rqznAaljJ4b5J c0j3xhHDlZPJXJbyxQFdjaK2YYX8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpd+9cNeSkglSDx4XATbAu250XjA9JuItij5LDQBRH4PRIv1e4jMVGP/Ni+acahgOm/q73w8VQ== X-Received: by 2002:a81:128d:: with SMTP id 135-v6mr9596466yws.107.1532984957778; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.10.217] (mobile-166-177-187-148.mycingular.net. [166.177.187.148]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e72-v6sm13850121ywa.61.2018.07.30.14.09.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Using Fluidyne oil coolers as Primary Radiator To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <373a4e87-0388-043c-b53d-42198ffcec73@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:10:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180730-4, 07/30/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 7/30/2018 3:53 PM, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: > We know the Fluidyne series of oil coolers work well to cool our oil ... > Does anyone care to comment on how they might work as primary radiators for the water jacket if placed in a Vee formation? Open at the front and narrowed together at the back as per diagram attached. I think in most installations this is a more efficient air flow path. > The DB-30618 x 2 have 0.75 inch connectors and 210 sq in of surface area Vs the GRI-2-58185-X Griffon radiator with 247 sq in of surface area. > Jeff > 1st, let me say, 'I don't know'. :-) Having said that.... If you're doubling the face area vs a single cooler perpendicular to the duct, then it will probably cool a bit better, but nowhere near twice as good. If you're feeding that configuration from a straight duct, my money would be on most of the flow being through the last third of each cooler. It looks like basically a two sided wedge, and I can say from experience that a wedge diffuser will do what I described, unless the downstream end is pinched down so it almost touches the face of the cooler. Perhaps a flow divider (more or less a diamond shape) to supply the pinch effect would balance the flow. It's easy enough to see the effect. Get a couple of junk coolers (anything would do to test, as long as they're the same cooler). Mount them in a cardboard duct using (wait for it...) duct tape, and feed it air using your leaf blower. Tie a thread (yard works better; it's lighter for it's cross section) to a thin stick, and move it around the exit faces. You'll quickly see where the air is moving through the cores (and where it's not). Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus