X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=dZ999rAERPaN1ClzR8ro2w==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=JZygid9Izu4A:10 a=R9QF1RCXAYgA:10 a=I2fBvrHzAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=K52nfJwJAAAA:8 a=bMjBROIj4FJP5eBHa_oA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_ZE2jxnBLD0A:10 a=oEevKRHn4_kA:10 a=JZfxMPCP-VH5b2LKCHQA:9 a=tZq32_9I5DqK2ZpM:21 a=O_Papdio5-SNZEoWtJIb:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=WwYJ5yj1iIbjF8xAomz6:22 From: "Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com" Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com ([209.85.218.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11329510 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:10:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.45; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id d189-v6so718791oib.6 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/XsAWxaw43FC2LLWGaacX8ZjCNCSt/U5ND7YcnRq+fw=; b=IkyCapwCKKtxYro8/CPVpSRWUajlLKrJ+YsZgkOPiJpY3eyAxmS2gCgwaUNfZh8fuG YQUszw+yve7XbIvlaYBNNFRnbbz6SY5VAQXDTlqoin4VaE1fpSK+XlqCrSOTNpz2B6pM nHFzAPq4QfqQ/8rovJPlonVimbRyhVvoGBNBs6VdNkuT3TOtyIfNVwx4FSCuf8zDddpl PdobVrZB9UanzdmoQSzN/0wZa6oJ0O9xVtXwkM3ilnlcsHrDyCPi6Ky3f/YP5zdeM0DV j5e7eymdVvg6/TV9zcJkEYKVkT7DJLVKMN+9xEbW1Hi3CG8Yt5kzdrNfVXb1xv68wfBs 6qdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/XsAWxaw43FC2LLWGaacX8ZjCNCSt/U5ND7YcnRq+fw=; b=Wa1WivG11VunCHUqlfOZqntQiC4Fy8J3F0bHc+HarVXrClN0OjlJRHIGO1YrCRU2jO ZnJIehz4LCXydeZn4gtW/W+FfdlJSfJQtv1+w6GheACp/NjycrIJE+DyTNFr+fnN4rUw WxND7ItO0ah72cvH/B/pKJcXysbnK+YoWICJCVqBhWt/JU6M0ykuh3Uv/Ds/V9KWhr9H lsPa/YVAWzgCLwjWBXF+j91oC0MQKUUdoMf4vxaWmjjU4NVjYMcQSVhYLdrSAR6R7bLR rBa3zKgUa7Ytq7OuzNpbavh79wH9QcQR+jH9/Dvc2qJSnOMLrQNEsjJuYR21blBmOmnc FIhg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2bghY8ffVVc27wmVdTWHafPCOWzeezsePFV6OzFYFRpR8CxssR 6Sq7IL68h1SjwPVSqD4T8MDNepIizXuYpQr04ivNGQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpd751ocZH0T4FkXX8eQhAr6PfthfECq8iMAmj1njjPMImwqBHAyW1yt9Ds5s1QOPvI7+E2rLUj8AR5BJSAJK44= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3907:: with SMTP id g7-v6mr19975101oia.145.1530583792758; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:56a7:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 21:09:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: eccentric shafts To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000044354605700ecf56" --00000000000044354605700ecf56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Neil, Mistral front "Plate" (Cover) merely replaces the stock cover and provides a built in water-pump, alternator and drive for vacuum pump (If needed) plus lets you mount the 13B directly to a standard "Lycoming" 'Dynafocal" mount.........The engine still uses the standard bolts to hold it together....The "Mistral" "Plate" bolts directly to the front side hsg which is why I choose to retain the stock iron hsg... I did not purchase the internal gears for the auxiliary drive since my ship will be all electric....... The early "Mistral" engines were basically a stock 13B with their re-drive and the mount plate attached and were sold as experimental engines as they geared up to produce their own certificated parts to produce a certified engine.......The early engines (13B based) were $30,000.00 + and were out of my reach but you could purchase the re-drive , mount plate , intake , etc separately if you ordered it when they were putting together a part order for their complete engines..........It took me almost two years to receive my mount plate...........As they developed their own parts the mount plate was integrated into the front side plate and no longer was directly adaptable to a stock 13B and is no longer available........ http://www.mistral-engines.com/products.html Best, Kelly Troyer On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Kelly, I am intrigued, How does the engine bolt together as in do the > draw bolts screw into the alloy alone, or are there steel inserts? What > advantages in the mistral front section over stock? > > I agree fully with a turbo normalize engine simply for replacing a > complicated muffler system. Heavy, yes, but so is an exhaust system once > it is all added up. A turbo also gives much flexibility when needed , > Take off in trying situations -- altitude--- noise reduction. Looking at > placing the Aftercooler on top of the wedge diffuser. Have to experiment > with that yet to see just where the air goes. Neil. > > On 7/3/2018 2:03 AM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com wrote: > > Neil, > The engine is still in pieces and the exhaust is not > decided............I may turbo-normalize > which may do away with the need for a muffled exhaust system.......The > alum center and > rear housings are an expensive 29 lb weight reduction (prop end of the > engine)..........<:) > > Had I used the alum front side hsg another 10.5 lbs would be > lost.........Attached is link > to "Racing Beat"............ > > http://www.racingbeat.com/RX7-1993-1995/Rotor-Intermediate-Housings.html > > Best > Kelly Troyer > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:51 AM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Kelly, That is certainly a hybid!! Does it all get along without >> fighting? For interest do you know what weight saving the alloy plates >> made? What exhaust system have you gotten to? Neil. >> >> On 7/2/2018 1:09 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Neil, >> Forgot to mention that the Renesis Eccentric shaft can be used in the >> 13B.......It is slightly >> lighter and is much less expensive than the RX7 shaft new........I have a >> Renesis shaft for my >> "Hybrid" 1993 13BREW........("P" port rotor hsgs,9.7 to 1 rotors, >> "Racing Beat" alum center and >> rear side hsgs, 13BREW iron front side hsg, "Mistral" alum front hsg with >> waterpump, alternator >> and ears for standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal" engine >> mounts........Retained the 13BREW iron >> front hsg because the "Mistral" bolts to it with several "6 MM" bolts and >> I was not fond of the >> entire engine weight hanging from these bolts threaded into >> alum........... >> >> Kelly Troyer >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >>> Neil, >>> 12A shafts are shorter will only fit the early "12A" engine not the >>> "13B" and the Renesis "RX8" engines.......The >>> "12A" engine rotors and rotor housings are narrower and these engines >>> have less combustion displacement (cubic inches)....... >>> >>> Kelly Troyer >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:39 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < >>> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>>> There is on offer a few eccentric shafts for sale and the add >>>> says 12A eccentric shafts -- suits R100, RX2 to RX7. Can anyone tell >>>> me if these shafts will fit the later RX7 or not? IF so what is the >>>> difference to the RX8? >>>> >>>> Neil. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --00000000000044354605700ecf56 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neil,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mistral front "Plate" (Co= ver) merely replaces the stock cover and provides a built in water-pump,
alternator and drive for vacuum pump (If needed) plus lets you moun= t the 13B directly to a standard=C2=A0
"Lycoming" '= Dynafocal" mount.........The engine still uses the standard bolts to h= old it together....The
"Mistral" "Plate" bolt= s directly to the front side hsg which is why I choose to retain the stock = iron hsg...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I did not purchase the in= ternal gears for the auxiliary drive since my ship will be all electric....= ... The
early "Mistral" engines were basically a stock = 13B with their re-drive and the mount plate attached and=C2=A0
we= re sold as experimental engines as they geared up to produce their own cert= ificated parts to produce=C2=A0
a certified engine.......The earl= y engines (13B based) were $30,000.00 + and were out of my reach but
<= div>you could purchase the re-drive , mount plate , intake , etc separately= if you ordered it when they were
putting together a part order f= or their complete engines..........It took me almost two years to receive m= y
mount plate...........As they developed their own parts the mou= nt plate was integrated into the front side
plate and no longer w= as directly adaptable to a stock 13B and is no longer available........




Best,
Kelly Troyer
=C2=A0

On M= on, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Kelly,=C2=A0 I am intrigued,=C2=A0 How does the engine bolt together= as in do the draw bolts screw into the alloy alone, or are there steel inserts?=C2=A0 What advantages in the mistral front section over stoc= k?

I agree fully with a turbo normalize engine simply for replacing a complicated=C2=A0 muffler system.=C2=A0 Heavy, yes, but so is an ex= haust system once it is all added up.=C2=A0=C2=A0 A turbo also gives much flexibility when needed ,=C2=A0 Take off in trying situations -- altitude--- noise reduction.=C2=A0 Looking at placing the Aftercooler on top of the wedge diffuser.=C2=A0 Have to experiment with that yet = to see just where the air goes.=C2=A0 Neil.


On 7/3/2018 2:03 AM= , Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com wrote:
Neil,
=C2=A0 The engine is still in pieces and the exhaust is not decided............I may turbo-normalize
which may do away with the need for a muffled exhaust system.......The alum center and=C2=A0
rear housings are an expensive 29 lb weight reduction (prop end of the engine)..........<:)

=C2=A0 Had I used the alum front side hsg another 10.5 lbs wou= ld be lost.........Attached is link
to "Racing Beat"............


Best=C2=A0
Kelly Troyer

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:51 AM, Neil Unger 1= 2348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Kelly,=C2=A0 That is certainly a hybid!!=C2=A0 Does it a= ll get along without fighting?=C2=A0 For interest do you know wh= at weight saving the alloy plates made?=C2=A0 What exhaust system have you gotten to? Neil.


On 7/2/2018 1:09 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com wrote:
Neil,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Forgot to mention that the Renesi= s Eccentric shaft can be used in the 13B.......It is slightly
lighter and is much less expensive than the RX7 shaft new........I have a Renesis shaft=C2=A0 for my
"Hybrid" 1993 13BREW........("P= " port rotor hsgs,9.7 to 1 rotors,=C2=A0 "Racing Beat&quo= t; alum center and
rear side hsgs, 13BREW iron front side hsg, "Mistral" alum front hsg with waterpump= , alternator
and ears for standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal" engine mounts........Retain= ed the 13BREW iron
front hsg because the "Mistral" bolt= s to it with several "6 MM" bolts and I was not= fond of the
entire engine weight hanging from these bolts threaded into alum...........

Kelly Troyer=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
Neil,
=C2=A0 =C2=A012A shafts are shorte= r will only fit the early "12A" en= gine not the "13B" and the Renes= is "RX8" engines.......The
"12A" engine rotors and = rotor housings are narrower and these engines have less combustion displacement (cubic inches).......

Kelly Troyer=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:39 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline= .net> wrote:
=C2= =A0 There is on offer a few eccentric shafts for sale and the add says=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 12A eccentric shafts -- suits R100,=C2=A0 RX2 t= o RX7.=C2=A0 Can anyone tell me if these shafts will fit the later RX7 or not?=C2=A0 IF so wha= t is the difference to the RX8?

Neil.



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