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Which one? This may be unimportant= however if the breaks are consistently the same bolt with the same mount th= at fact would be important.=20 Conversely if they are different bolts with different mounts that is also te= lling To determine which bolt, specify one bolt as #1 (and identify it to us) and c= ount clockwise or counterclockwise (let us know which) Happy forth Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Pam & Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com wrote: >=20 > Rich, > =20 > Yes the beam mount is under the rear iron, yes it is carrying most of the w= eight. What I didn=E2=80=99t say is I have a single point additional mount u= nder the water pump. The only bolt I broke was 1 engine tension bolt. > =20 > Thanks, > Dave Williams > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 2:49 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out > =20 > Dave,=20 > =20 > perhaps i am totally mistaking but are you telling me that the connection t= o the engine is on the rear iron. (Assuming rotor 1 is closest to the water= pump. I can=E2=80=99t remember which is which =E2=80=94- > =20 > If that is the bearing on the mount. Although i only play structural engin= eer on tv and in my nightmares, it seems like there is a huge chunk of engin= e and most of the weight of the engine hanging unsupported=E2=80=94- save on= ly for the tension bolts.=20 > =20 > If the mounting area is evenly divided weightwise, being supported there e= nables bending forces ahead(behind) And behind(ahead) again being related to= the tension bolts > =20 > Where did your bolt break. And where did other breaks happen? > =20 > This breakage problem has gotten my brain buzzing=E2=80=94 or is that tinn= itus?=20 > =20 > Rich > =20 > =20 > =20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Pam & Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com wrote: >=20 > Hello Rich, > =20 > Thank you for welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used was c= alled (I think) a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one sid= e cut out. It runs left to right and sits under the engine endplate between r= otor 2 and the flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemoly =C2=BD=E2=80= =9D are no longer available. So the current list of available bolts are 5/16= =E2=80=9D steel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (your bolt= s), =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an opini= on which would be better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80=9D ti= tanium slip fit? Remember my motor is stock 13B and my concern is vibration c= racking the bolts. > =20 > Thanks, > Dave Williams > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out > =20 > Dave, It was good seeing you at my hanger last week. > =20 > I forgot to ask you what kind of engine mount you used. > Jim told me that your bolts were the same size as the ones in my renesis m= inus the notches. > =20 > I look forward to haring from you=20 > =20 > Rich > =20 > In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: > =20 > Dave - where are you based out of? >=20 > R/ > Luis >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:16 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I am a newbie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's contro= ls with his redrive. To this point I have been very pleased with the combina= tion. Last month I broke a tension bolt and have ordered new and improved .5= 00" bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from vibration. I ha= ve 20 hours on the motor and never had any cooling issues. I suppose that me= ans I am over cooled, but that is okay with me. I will make cooling improvem= ents when I am back in the air. My 13B is stock and I run it at 6,300 RPM. >=20 > Thanks, > Dave Williams >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out >=20 > Hey all > Just throwing it out there. > What's the thoughts on small production of engine mounts to suit the rv6,7= for the 13b renises, also cowls, and efi and turbo setup to suit. > Also bell housings. > My 13 b is currently out to get some cracks repaired on one of the gear le= g mounts, ( cracked due to the gear leg being to stiff) Plane currently has a= pprox 700hrs now and was going well. > All temps were under control. > Small history > 13b renises pp > Custom efi > Modified james cowls >=20 > 172ktas with free flowing exhaust, high fuel burn > 155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under cowl >=20 > Plans >=20 > 13b renises with turbo with small boost > Simple new efi > Neil's new Psru > Bellhousing to suit > Radiators and all gear to fit the rv >=20 > I welcome all insights and thoughts >=20 > Cheers > Christian > Rv7 13b renises >=20 > Sent from my iPad > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.h= tml --Apple-Mail-85081921-AF1F-40E4-AC33-69BCFFF8C798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave,

I understand that i= t was a tension bolt. Which one?  This may be unimportant however if th= e breaks are consistently the same bolt with the same mount that fact would b= e important. 
Conversely if they are different bolts with dif= ferent mounts that is also telling

To determine whi= ch bolt, specify one bolt as #1 (and identify it to us) and count clockwise o= r counterclockwise (let us know which)


Happy forth

Rich

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Pam &am= p; Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com<= /a> <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net> wrote:

Rich,

 

= Yes the beam mount is under the rear iron, yes it is carrying most of the we= ight. What I didn=E2=80=99t say is I have a single point additional mount un= der the water pump. The only bolt I broke was 1 engine tension bolt.

 <= /p>

Thanks,

Dave Williams

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 2:49 PM
To: Rotary motors in airc= raft <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRota= ry] Re: Rotary fit out

 

Dave, 

 

perhaps i am totally mistaking but are you telling me that the connectio= n to the engine is on the  rear iron. (Assuming rotor 1 is closest to t= he water pump. I can=E2=80=99t remember which is which =E2=80=94-=

 

If that is the bearing on the mount. Although i only play s= tructural engineer on tv and in my nightmares, it seems like there is a huge= chunk of engine and most of the weight of the engine hanging unsupported=E2= =80=94- save only for the tension bolts. 

 

If= the mounting area is evenly divided weightwise, being supported there enabl= es bending forces ahead(behind) And behind(ahead) again being related to the= tension bolts

 

Where did your bolt break. And whe= re did other breaks happen?

=  

This breakage problem= has gotten my brain buzzing=E2=80=94 or is that tinnitus? <= /p>

 

Rich

&n= bsp;

 

<= div>

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:1= 0 AM, Pam & Dave Williams padajut= e@idcnet.com <flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hello Rich,

&n= bsp;

Thank you for= welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used was called (I think)= a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one side cut out. It r= uns left to right and sits under the engine endplate between rotor 2 and the= flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemoly =C2=BD=E2=80=9D are no l= onger available. So the current list of available bolts are 5/16=E2=80=9D st= eel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (your bolts), =C2=BD=E2= =80=9D titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an opinion which woul= d be better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip f= it? Remember my motor is stock 13B and my concern is vibration cracking the b= olts.

 

Thanks,

Dave Williams

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM
To: Rotary motors in a= ircraft <flyrotary@lancair= online.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyR= otary] Re: Rotary fit out

 =

Dave, It was good seeing you at my hanger last week.

 

I forgot to ask y= ou what kind of engine mount you used.

Jim told me that your bolts wer= e the same size as the ones in my renesis minus the notches.

 

I look forwar= d to haring from you 

 

Rich

 

In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net w= rites:

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dave - where are you based out= of?

R/
Luis

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft [mailto:flyr= otary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:16 PM
To: R= otary motors in aircraft <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary]= Re: Rotary fit out

Hello,

I am a newbie on the site. I have a= Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's controls with his redrive. To this point I h= ave been very pleased with the combination. Last month I broke a tension bol= t and have ordered new and improved .500" bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .= 312" bolts broke from vibration. I have 20 hours on the motor and never had a= ny cooling issues. I suppose that means I am over cooled, but that is okay w= ith me. I will make cooling improvements when I am back in the air. My 13B i= s stock and I run it at 6,300 RPM.

Thanks,
Dave Williams

--= ---Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
= Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t;
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out

Hey all
Just throwing it= out there.
What's the thoughts on small production of engine mounts to s= uit the rv6,7 for the 13b renises, also cowls, and efi and turbo setup to su= it.
Also bell housings.
My 13 b is currently out to get some cracks re= paired on one of the gear leg mounts, ( cracked due to the gear leg being to= stiff) Plane currently has approx 700hrs now and was going well.
All tem= ps were under control.
Small history
13b renises pp
Custom efi
M= odified james cowls

172ktas with free flowing exhaust, high fuel burn=
155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under cowl

Plans

13b ren= ises with turbo with small boost
Simple new efi
Neil's new Psru
Bel= lhousing to suit
Radiators and all gear to fit the rv

I welcome al= l insights and thoughts

Cheers
Christian
Rv7 13b renises
Sent from my iPad
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