X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=MZJh/xh7RVXA8GSK804ZBQ==:117 a=cdlGnj+Ug22GXqtyPVp7hQ==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=e8BSqymJ620A:10 a=5HJ6KZJP-kkA:10 a=R9QF1RCXAYgA:10 a=Xi2f93HVIxIA:10 a=0RG_rZzYIgAA:10 a=ZZnuYtJkoWoA:10 a=zeCeww8OAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=XoW6FE2yDf-mnh54AvsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=5i-mZsNN5myasEs2UAEA:9 a=sE6OvEyAfOfOkLJu:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=xmGugT5kI7RWeT601fq3:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "A R Goldman argoldman@aol.com" Received: from sonic309-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTP id 11324048 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 15:49:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.184.147; envelope-from=argoldman@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1530474551; bh=d9P7kVU2U6e2WJsHtHbphK0/X7jCY1MEKHPLOsg2Q1Y=; h=From:Date:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:To:From:Subject; b=SaLHiMn9DY6Kc41JAHxRidIgzoy5sRqyYdk2LY3sMCcxUBpNutTwD1A9+yK/wo0n43/OPRuE1gqgQyFSqqkBX69H8Cun2goSa1FxhAwfha86XLDyzhc3ErwzNMJJrwuOwB4fHjqIiYYc8tcnCJgVPPOmY9pC8pwkF0HXl+WpiXCGstgKBAhQk8oWCUHyp1IgX5vWdk+oKvkPMBlLk5fruUbEC2oxGDUG/MZnhA3Ohd6ICn5owTLfTUgCBt+oZ/jnKKCVmmMwrydpscYQJOljxp+a/raUv414G7oOW/VfyyDiQq7u+P7MRHlNlXNy73BFuAtDWHRdsaDOIb81nlW2Cw== X-YMail-OSG: VYz8Xd8VM1lyFRt2pu05K0nPiuDjU9eEZvtPFT0uMU8q4GmmXkPhFd_M0yL4UE2 BeYfSKBblIulkKjhN5PRqO4whkugSNADKICiITMY6NzxN3FXJHVoBPY9nsxq1.veJ30whnZthTEx 3Csnl_e5t9ibleOaqzSXs8sXXvgl3biJGiPWJe4z2p.Vrn4BI2rRZsTxSrMQW65P1DwDHP_0_JpU D2yuvp3tXxjfoRjNexsUnADXJveXp.AWurExy08xhnI5tfzo5i9EE2.Oy1plG8nkfhQ82mGEZa0Z TWgSoSiKvLJdsR9zDmI0TqJb4504wuyNu2izkTQPh5Rr6qXlKsYffGV8z4ysF2iCtTRED9xuK66V CI03Rfg4VM.9EWFfM_eVbg7HdgTx3OjLQM_nVXkdNgIMBCNj5NgKzzoGT6hf.uQ30KMIJabTof9Y aMY0AopqGbyKRB9whVpHZJ2WRHwigOwNulggGxvIWmbsGsFw0OMf7yOgdporYl86UfjbvvNpfQZA 9anhgu5gF5CcVABTAQhiGsS7XwNbWv4BaKK4t5Qe6FBgowLEnBKdoO5A_fucxH8GLk_.mHyjW.nM iQs20dngpLps5_mqu8bd5t7Upd5exfyOssglG1xYVeIVAWKRhzvqfqMNq.DcuS60W5D_CkSVMnAh .10CcSSK9D75GeNfWKYJUsrjQNERxH9KCxKBFDuN_SME4ZZrNaWJmybbcvXZf254opEDpOGdzgQu vbj.nI24GdKUFgcrBiF0A2rfKB.eJHCgZzhRYaL6fJ.RwJQzwWPOutsmLYlP_LVl0qDreiS20rjT 76ogQ.UYmywVZ5cok4pQDvwdLG2hZDpfxmJEjO_c97cy4EYxwAWldDx8cXj5Te_QmOY0WuHpkWaK juT3EZCoM2mX1mkI3YsOQGPcaDg6X3HhoLSRhM.5EP8Jl8WadhP0n8xD0eXf5P4i.Zo0rjrdL.Ze atPObSAICfnreRrk- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:49:11 +0000 Received: from c-67-173-117-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net (EHLO [10.0.0.4]) ([67.173.117.142]) by smtp404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 484c7785ccd11ee1d002930da1d0546e for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D69D7D5F-56FC-4BA1-B543-103203DCA508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 14:49:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out Message-Id: <241E90B4-6E55-433E-8D5B-8B1904A76A30@aol.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15F79) --Apple-Mail-D69D7D5F-56FC-4BA1-B543-103203DCA508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave,=20 perhaps i am totally mistaking but are you telling me that the connection to= the engine is on the rear iron. (Assuming rotor 1 is closest to the water p= ump. I can=E2=80=99t remember which is which =E2=80=94- If that is the bearing on the mount. Although i only play structural enginee= r on tv and in my nightmares, it seems like there is a huge chunk of engine a= nd most of the weight of the engine hanging unsupported=E2=80=94- save only f= or the tension bolts.=20 If the mounting area is evenly divided weightwise, being supported there ena= bles bending forces ahead(behind) And behind(ahead) again being related to t= he tension bolts =20 Where did your bolt break. And where did other breaks happen? This breakage problem has gotten my brain buzzing=E2=80=94 or is that tinnit= us?=20 Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Pam & Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com wrote: >=20 > Hello Rich, > =20 > Thank you for welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used was c= alled (I think) a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one sid= e cut out. It runs left to right and sits under the engine endplate between r= otor 2 and the flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemoly =C2=BD=E2=80= =9D are no longer available. So the current list of available bolts are 5/16= =E2=80=9D steel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (your bolt= s), =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an opini= on which would be better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80=9D ti= tanium slip fit? Remember my motor is stock 13B and my concern is vibration c= racking the bolts. > =20 > Thanks, > Dave Williams > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out > =20 > Dave, It was good seeing you at my hanger last week. > =20 > I forgot to ask you what kind of engine mount you used. > Jim told me that your bolts were the same size as the ones in my renesis m= inus the notches. > =20 > I look forward to haring from you=20 > =20 > Rich > =20 > In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: > =20 > Dave - where are you based out of? >=20 > R/ > Luis >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:16 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I am a newbie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's contro= ls with his redrive. To this point I have been very pleased with the combina= tion. Last month I broke a tension bolt and have ordered new and improved .5= 00" bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from vibration. I ha= ve 20 hours on the motor and never had any cooling issues. I suppose that me= ans I am over cooled, but that is okay with me. I will make cooling improvem= ents when I am back in the air. My 13B is stock and I run it at 6,300 RPM. >=20 > Thanks, > Dave Williams >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out >=20 > Hey all > Just throwing it out there. > What's the thoughts on small production of engine mounts to suit the rv6,7= for the 13b renises, also cowls, and efi and turbo setup to suit. > Also bell housings. > My 13 b is currently out to get some cracks repaired on one of the gear le= g mounts, ( cracked due to the gear leg being to stiff) Plane currently has a= pprox 700hrs now and was going well. > All temps were under control. > Small history > 13b renises pp > Custom efi > Modified james cowls >=20 > 172ktas with free flowing exhaust, high fuel burn > 155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under cowl >=20 > Plans >=20 > 13b renises with turbo with small boost > Simple new efi > Neil's new Psru > Bellhousing to suit > Radiators and all gear to fit the rv >=20 > I welcome all insights and thoughts >=20 > Cheers > Christian > Rv7 13b renises >=20 > Sent from my iPad > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.h= tml --Apple-Mail-D69D7D5F-56FC-4BA1-B543-103203DCA508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, 

perhaps i am= totally mistaking but are you telling me that the connection to the engine i= s on the  rear iron. (Assuming rotor 1 is closest to the water pump. I c= an=E2=80=99t remember which is which =E2=80=94-

If t= hat is the bearing on the mount. Although i only play structural engineer on= tv and in my nightmares, it seems like there is a huge chunk of engine and m= ost of the weight of the engine hanging unsupported=E2=80=94- save only for t= he tension bolts. 

If the mounting area is eve= nly divided weightwise, being supported there enables bending forces ahead(b= ehind) And behind(ahead) again being related to the tension bolts
=  
Where did your bolt break. And where did other breaks happe= n?

This breakage problem has gotten my brain buzzin= g=E2=80=94 or is that tinnitus? 

Rich



Sent from= my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Pam & Dave William= s padajute@idcnet.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> w= rote:

Hello Rich,

 

Thank you for welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used wa= s called (I think) a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one s= ide cut out. It runs left to right and sits under the engine endplate betwee= n rotor 2 and the flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemoly =C2=BD=E2= =80=9D are no longer available. So the current list of available bolts are 5= /16=E2=80=9D steel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (your b= olts), =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an op= inion which would be better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80=9D= titanium slip fit? Remember my motor is stock 13B and my concern is vibrati= on cracking the bolts.

 

Thanks= ,

Dave Williams

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft= [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [No= n-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out

 

Dave, It was good seeing you at my hanger last week.

 

I forgot to ask you what kind of engine mount you used.

Jim told me that your bolts were the same size as the on= es in my renesis minus the notches.

 

=

I look forward to har= ing from you 

 

Rich

 

In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM C= entral Standard Time, flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net writes:

=  

Dave= - where are you based out of?

R/
Luis

-----Original Messag= e-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, Jun= e 10, 2018 6:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [= Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out

Hello,

I am a n= ewbie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's controls with hi= s redrive. To this point I have been very pleased with the combination. Last= month I broke a tension bolt and have ordered new and improved .500" bolts f= rom Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from vibration. I have 20 hours= on the motor and never had any cooling issues. I suppose that means I am ov= er cooled, but that is okay with me. I will make cooling improvements when I= am back in the air. My 13B is stock and I run it at 6,300 RPM.

Thank= s,
Dave Williams

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out
<= br>Hey all
Just throwing it out there.
What's the thoughts on small pr= oduction of engine mounts to suit the rv6,7 for the 13b renises, also cowls,= and efi and turbo setup to suit.
Also bell housings.
My 13 b is curre= ntly out to get some cracks repaired on one of the gear leg mounts, ( cracke= d due to the gear leg being to stiff) Plane currently has approx 700hrs now a= nd was going well.
All temps were under control.
Small history
13b r= enises pp
Custom efi
Modified james cowls

172ktas with free flo= wing exhaust, high fuel burn
155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under cowl=

Plans

13b renises with turbo with small boost
Simple new e= fi
Neil's new Psru
Bellhousing to suit
Radiators and all gear to fi= t the rv

I welcome all insights and thoughts

Cheers
Christi= an
Rv7 13b renises

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