X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UUw1RyDqGKisiOPICcNNcg==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=A-0mRrAPPO4A:10 a=R9QF1RCXAYgA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=zeCeww8OAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=-nfFv2E086AEgbL09tUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=5i-mZsNN5myasEs2UAEA:9 a=z-zDsRISR5AhRace:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=xmGugT5kI7RWeT601fq3:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11323857 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 14:29:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.170; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf0-f170.google.com with SMTP id a24-v6so2780225pfo.2 for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:29:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YMaojCJs63cq3pYH2tKiE3TtHkPmYreIvUp0JGicjlE=; b=dgUZmPckvLuJMPnqIBA0EflY2vbQuWGhuMYWA3CctYytsLpR68lIWc20g3tlSqN+0+ 2SwqZoQ1Aw+1vBqvbPbvgBw5vKp7zNwOqy+pSsIEw7gkKH/hmtWX3RX1MkNJjJML2NTT IKm4hiWyZeZvrr4mJ+lctkGqVh2fIqGwqHULOAE93MLImvrLvvGgeWvCipn2tBcFqqzR EMy9bl/rnvpZ2UL1VT9I3S1mOG4UnB16kAhBeBE74IsJfdzAnNsn1+V2yls1q32iaRNT PQrxR0f1WujTlzhQR26j/X4ZJqoqFjzoh32t8A9vdXucaf88Bwwcpy8suKRbATJar+CW f0xg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YMaojCJs63cq3pYH2tKiE3TtHkPmYreIvUp0JGicjlE=; b=cxzGbKZefN+IsJ+RJCC7Nh+c69bhZvb0J7tRl5B1FyXxaZMpE/gltL/zXd+NF5bO0l cPXh/6zbWDJyc2mO6FwLPqUB5ZGHlNkdUZg/yPF4oOHivOz3n5yIKmHMSFGgMla7g2J5 qhnso7OxkB4YaVoYlfr6Q5qpLMgpMaupcQyhqUm9YkfMbtRvddSikBuaU/o1bjYLyYkS 4G5WGPJQ/pGoAtbn50gcKRG8lbJ/zW0gxQAy/WSvcsh9WSfqPjPsnCtqziINSjri7RAl P1HboaBlggLnOi94ud/3ECrUG9LADP48x//greZtIAfyU8s9PosWcoOGQ3gJuOuds+bT dmpA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E35QAgQ4KLYeEAhTyDTloqyDyA2yfU+zZ/VXX/6/4GsOqWk6Ns7 QuwRtebfL6Z2qacQmp8OBzHUtZRHtp9ReeVfyQ0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpelhTFyO8M0+yN3Y3Ty/i96Y6ngXciGa0Je0ZZ2z2GBYKNdxiFB/VqISooBrX9xvQ9XtSf3619xUUCH3MsplDY= X-Received: by 2002:a62:d34a:: with SMTP id q71-v6mr17199942pfg.17.1530469732209; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:28:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:90a:858c:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 13:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba58a5056ff44056" --000000000000ba58a5056ff44056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I'm now confused. Are we talking about mount bolt failures, or engine assembly bolt (those 15"+ long ones) failures? I thought that mount design was one discussion, and block assy bolts was a different subject. If you're asking whether mount style affects block assy bolt failure, I'd think it's extremely unlikely. The bolts have failed in cars, and in a/c using the bed mount plate. Charlie On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:06 PM, A R Goldman argoldman@aol.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Hi dave > > Can=E2=80=99t comment on the bolts. Sorry > > I do have some questions about the mount > > I cant remember wha it looks like. But in my mind i seem to have rejected > it for some reason in favor of the pan mount which was recommended ( and > sold) by tracy. The girllls also were vehemently against the beam. ( of > course they sold their version of the pan mount) > > It would be interesting to find out what types of mounts were used in > other aircraft bolt failures? > > Inquiring mind wants to know! > > Rich > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Pam & Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Hello Rich, > > > > Thank you for welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used was > called (I think) a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one > side cut out. It runs left to right and sits under the engine endplate > between rotor 2 and the flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemol= y > =C2=BD=E2=80=9D are no longer available. So the current list of available= bolts are > 5/16=E2=80=9D steel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (yo= ur bolts), =C2=BD=E2=80=9D > titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an opinion which would be > better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip fit= ? Remember my motor is > stock 13B and my concern is vibration cracking the bolts. > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Williams > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit ou= t > > > > Dave, It was good seeing you at my hanger last week. > > > > I forgot to ask you what kind of engine mount you used. > > Jim told me that your bolts were the same size as the ones in my renesis > minus the notches. > > > > I look forward to haring from you > > > > Rich > > > > In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, > flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: > > > > Dave - where are you based out of? > > R/ > Luis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:16 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out > > Hello, > > I am a newbie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's > controls with his redrive. To this point I have been very pleased with th= e > combination. Last month I broke a tension bolt and have ordered new and > improved .500" bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from > vibration. I have 20 hours on the motor and never had any cooling issues.= I > suppose that means I am over cooled, but that is okay with me. I will mak= e > cooling improvements when I am back in the air. My 13B is stock and I run > it at 6,300 RPM. > > Thanks, > Dave Williams > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out > > Hey all > Just throwing it out there. > What's the thoughts on small production of engine mounts to suit the rv6,= 7 > for the 13b renises, also cowls, and efi and turbo setup to suit. > Also bell housings. > My 13 b is currently out to get some cracks repaired on one of the gear > leg mounts, ( cracked due to the gear leg being to stiff) Plane currently > has approx 700hrs now and was going well. > All temps were under control. > Small history > 13b renises pp > Custom efi > Modified james cowls > > 172ktas with free flowing exhaust, high fuel burn > 155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under cowl > > Plans > > 13b renises with turbo with small boost > Simple new efi > Neil's new Psru > Bellhousing to suit > Radiators and all gear to fit the rv > > I welcome all insights and thoughts > > Cheers > Christian > Rv7 13b renises > > Sent from my iPad > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net: > 81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > --000000000000ba58a5056ff44056 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now I'm now confused. Are we talking about mount bolt = failures, or engine assembly bolt (those 15"+ long ones) failures? I t= hought that mount design was one discussion, and block assy bolts was a dif= ferent subject.=C2=A0 If you're asking whether mount style affects bloc= k assy bolt failure, I'd think it's extremely unlikely. The bolts h= ave failed in cars, and in a/c using the bed mount plate.

Charlie

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:06 PM, A R Goldman argoldman@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
Hi d= ave

Can=E2=80=99t comment on the bolts.=C2=A0 Sorry

I do have some questions about the mount
I cant remember wha it looks like. But in my mind i seem to hav= e rejected it for some reason in favor of the pan mount which was recommend= ed ( and sold) by tracy. The girllls also were vehemently against the beam.= ( of course they sold their version of the pan mount)

=
It would be interesting to find out what types of mounts were used in = other aircraft bolt failures?

Inquiring mind wants= to know!

Rich=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone

On = Jul 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Pam & Dave Williams padajute@idcnet.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.n= et> wrote:

= Hello Rich,

<= u>=C2=A0

Thank y= ou for welcoming me to your hanger!!! The engine mount I used was called (I= think) a Shurs beam. It is square tubing with the center of one side cut o= ut. It runs left to right and sits under the engine endplate between rotor = 2 and the flywheel. On bolts I found out that the chromemoly =C2=BD=E2=80= =9D are no longer available. So the current list of available bolts are 5/1= 6=E2=80=9D steel open bore(my bolts), 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore (your bo= lts), =C2=BD=E2=80=9D titanium slip fit (from Mazdatrix). Do you have an op= inion which would be better, 3/8=E2=80=9D steel open bore or =C2=BD=E2=80= =9D titanium slip fit? Remember my motor is stock 13B and my concern is vib= ration cracking the bolts.

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;c= olor:#1f497d">=C2=A0

Thanks,

Dave Williams

=C2=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
<= b>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:45 PM
To: Rotary motors in= aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out

=C2=A0

Dave, It was good seeing you at my hange= r last week.

=C2=A0

I forgot to ask you what kind o= f engine mount you used.

Jim told me that your= bolts were the same size as the ones in my renesis minus the notches.

=C2=A0

I look forward to haring from you=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Rich

<= div>

=C2=A0

=

In a message dated 6/28/2018 9:42:30 AM Centra= l Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

=C2=A0

Dave - where are you based out of?

R/
Luis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:16 PM
To= : Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [Non-= DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary fit out

Hello,

I am a newb= ie on the site. I have a Tailwind with a 13B and Tracy's controls with = his redrive. To this point I have been very pleased with the combination. L= ast month I broke a tension bolt and have ordered new and improved .500&quo= t; bolts from Mazdatrix. My original .312" bolts broke from vibration.= I have 20 hours on the motor and never had any cooling issues. I suppose t= hat means I am over cooled, but that is okay with me. I will make cooling i= mprovements when I am back in the air. My 13B is stock and I run it at 6,30= 0 RPM.

Thanks,
Dave Williams

-----Original Message-----From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Se= nt: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary fit out

Hey all=
Just throwing it out there.
What's the thoughts on small product= ion of engine mounts to suit the rv6,7 for the 13b renises, also cowls, and= efi and turbo setup to suit.
Also bell housings.
My 13 b is currentl= y out to get some cracks repaired on one of the gear leg mounts, ( cracked = due to the gear leg being to stiff) Plane currently has approx 700hrs now a= nd was going well.
All temps were under control.
Small history
13b= renises pp
Custom efi
Modified james cowls

172ktas with free = flowing exhaust, high fuel burn
155 Ktas with restrictive exhaust under = cowl

Plans

13b renises with turbo with small boost
Simple = new efi
Neil's new Psru
Bellhousing to suit
Radiators and all = gear to fit the rv

I welcome all insights and thoughts

Cheers=
Christian
Rv7 13b renises

Sent from my iPad
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