X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+Qpr0ChaPWHDHJEfQNTYBw==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=RdNY_qKvCEwh2X_4Bh4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=vbVGDCfbxPHDR7vJjn0A:9 a=VaS6crGL4CRo6UV_:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pl0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11310131 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:37:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.47; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pl0-f47.google.com with SMTP id w8-v6so1655071ply.8 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=qM6yyXMILqmhLw5XqR1s+Kp+4rZxkFTbN6Aj78yZNj8=; b=ILbOJ9Oj5dQvABNadMqNrVvvxlAEax6EpRLoMVzcnYpGju7ZX1vr90P2qJQKyQLqZi k3qlDpjZp2ZI9/VPG6JhMalVJVBMoGbnGK/LRc4q7dZTeW3bEpJoFC/BKWGdexMhm/Y2 cHSV6vi/fBKoF86nL/suYP9oYmY+R2kdEsbS0PxnNZRPMK2vdxsKIM/8TzByTkhxL7oB xcemnscxnEsapSFkFrtd7DXFqnRpWyYfHPzof1oQ7bZfRur8AGQAlw5/Fj7fgSBW3K2z lCgazX01A/A1VSmXI0aEQHq8OH26H5A+Ysu4lVjxFNLjkIX82Gavg/JjsMn4N9r+uyi9 pFNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=qM6yyXMILqmhLw5XqR1s+Kp+4rZxkFTbN6Aj78yZNj8=; b=ZuB+Ip9w+pQpF6J3upBUolyiWtl99+v9b5bMrIKK1MHpOGqOzwWRaOAO0YX+U1drfc zCPQW6oNxDSq7a3hkC6gm1VTfbvYF5aafq2PfQQBLswYj90bsBt7/v68cm+7f8hMKfjn nuhbQ/qETwi+fw6p66Y9rdhIkzJ4YnwYZqkOKFJ/5Vyl9nG6sS/9Fx/POkBODvPNRsfl TciH8fRROuDFOhv6zJs456a911NQbOeLbL6iQKNEHK/tqJBtXpg8jxfBb0edj16inPhY a4OQnP3kqUDMQRWWuOfaRMaiHBSUFcEhFOdpfjrDfTdXlVwTlHpRu/LsZclrGlfZRra7 T4vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E17B3XRulmOg7krycX2SD7HHp3/7s3f6WlPRCoCa0hZsaxHKjhO U4PfVMwPsrKLXlnGmzwRhr+yjCYL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKZLOP03eZcwPewSqZ7+o/wnE5Nk3c/OhcJ5CCHmCZA2LASFSwnA2CfB1wnTFKwb1ruf5ny3w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8341:: with SMTP id z1-v6mr7849253pln.40.1530135414095; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y2-v6sm12155208pfk.82.2018.06.27.14.36.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Single rotor oiling To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:36:49 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1A564A7D661C42B28703EFEA" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1A564A7D661C42B28703EFEA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is Richard on this forum?  Emailed him a few years back and silence.  Neil.  Has anyone got contact details for Richard? Neil. On 6/28/2018 5:53 AM, Accountlehanover lehanover@aol.com wrote: > There are a number of items to consider. The stock Mazda pump is a > convenient package. So, good to go there. The Kidney shaped ports and > the bearing hole for the pump shaft will be in your new housings. > Drillings to connect to the oil pick up pipe and to the outside are > required. The stock pump will be more than adequate pressure and > volume wise. You can score big on the pickup shape (trumpet bell) and > bolt on end with an "O" ring feature. I like the pressure relief at > the end of the system (Stock Mazda). With one less rotor spraying oil > there will be extra unused oil returning to the pan. You might think > about that oil returning to the top of a full engine baffle plate to > help reduce foaming. > > The deeper the pan and the closer to the bottom is the end of the > pickup, the less likely it is that the engine can be starved for oil. > So, steep climbs and descents and long slips will be worry free. > > You can clock the stationary gears to accept incoming oil from nearly > any location. > > Richard Sohn has done all of this and makes the adapter that puts in 2 > cycle oil instead of sump oil. He also has the balance figured out. > Another problem solved. > > The dry sump system is far more complex and has far more weight and > uses a very expensive pump. > Not in the running if I were doing it. If you need massive amounts of > oil flow you can buy the pieces of a dry sump pump and just build an > external pressure pump and use that on a wet sump engine. > > Lynn E. 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Is Richard on this forum?  Emailed him a few years back and silence.  Neil.  Has anyone got contact details for Richard?   Neil.


On 6/28/2018 5:53 AM, Accountlehanover lehanover@aol.com wrote:
There are a number of items to consider. The stock Mazda pump is a convenient package. So, good to go there. The Kidney shaped ports and the bearing hole for the pump shaft will be in your new housings. Drillings to connect to the oil pick up pipe and to the outside are required. The stock pump will be more than adequate pressure and volume wise. You can score big on the pickup shape (trumpet bell) and bolt on end with an "O" ring feature. I like the pressure relief at the end of the system (Stock Mazda). With one less rotor spraying oil there will be extra unused oil returning to the pan. You might think about that oil returning to the top of a full engine baffle plate to help reduce foaming.

The deeper the pan and the closer to the bottom is the end of the pickup, the less likely it is that the engine can be starved for oil. So, steep climbs and descents and long slips will be worry free.

You can clock the stationary gears to accept incoming oil from nearly any location.

Richard Sohn has done all of this and makes the adapter that puts in 2 cycle oil instead of sump oil. He also has the balance figured out. Another problem solved.

The dry sump system is far more complex and has far more weight and uses a very expensive pump.
Not in the running if I were doing it. If you need massive amounts of oil flow you can buy the pieces of a dry sump pump and just build an external pressure pump and use that on a wet sump engine.

Lynn E. Hanover



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