X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=E+VvaT8Q4yvisMS1c7To1A==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=JZygid9Izu4A:10 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=RH7UvGJBn2ndvel6-vQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ZaDspW27oPT9H_wqak4A:9 a=rzIg3NE8PWzJzIZs:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 From: "Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com" Received: from mail-ot0-f179.google.com ([74.125.82.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11310011 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:15:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.179; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-ot0-f179.google.com with SMTP id v24-v6so3744707otk.13 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AnJA9snhOcDhjTLyDHP0zxwq2KiJQg1f2AyM7QEAFn4=; b=cP4eU4vaGMmh3r7is4zIhXksS20Aw4ycofULVE7YVwQrNcGrNlG950IU8pGped69Km 14HxhWqJsdz818XUXm+xr6hhgLrr3eWsYnOgH5NJTO227PywFpl7+IzAgLjLmZZK6AgG p5//HvQXuPQ9f8fn1rqnA/BhfyoYRmee+OZW72fQ5y76X/Uq+Xn27WCpR5+twu4rKsdr DYtO5gc2EeaDY74G4Cy295jenXRgO7vb5ek6XeT5poGMN3lvEkt4Qr+vh7shpdm/F8P5 fauN2mzBiHuXw7B2IWVNiOyx+HC4j+KfYF4ycX7QPLTse1mVxevrLHyz9sJPSFGsGiXj gCeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AnJA9snhOcDhjTLyDHP0zxwq2KiJQg1f2AyM7QEAFn4=; b=svQZn/SmSCFknX/rlwZBZO/56UageweBJgMVyhzwVVdJBl0iR4ZpXDT2nya9MpWoFq qqfL7dGplKcNs/kd+vDkstwwj3nf5nzsqeSkv2W+gZzR2jjYp81SSmKVYMNatpa0jqcH wADswWZ6YrEEl7pvQdlTGfOtvaSmOTz/Ar5Qg3Ea+LfiJAjS0go0ElYqo8mFMc/u4+R3 4e4b1zoBKQ63LkUFyGJTLv+7wC3CSwpAGdymRRO3/4KJmMxtkVr0K/djVJVqMNSSA4Se K3zWonD3GeHL5fcgoiaB3siInCG1zJMt3Mqfvmxf3a2dqVBz7XIdxutqQRiYaEX1F/3U Cw+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2A0HUIkehEtINAhhTyJ8pYPF3b4fIpD/Bhadd69b9fpytyLd7m iqGZTMTNzHtFz9/NA6MGyQNECe9VMSmu7jXJkVs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpf7DaIaUTQN4PuMZ+Yiw0oQLmotFIJodphPVg4bBpgu566gwd9IxVocg5vgO2qo9jyg0QY2K5qeQmU5xIorYL8= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4e99:: with SMTP id v25-v6mr4643469otk.328.1530134101652; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:15:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:56a7:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: OIL To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009677fb056fa61b69" --0000000000009677fb056fa61b69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Steve, Do I understand that you are now running with the "Fluidyne DB-30618" cooler by itself after having just tested the Oil to Coolant "Fluidyne" cooler for effect ??........... Kelly Troyer On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Accountlehanover lehanover@aol.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > From: lehanover@aol.com > To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net > Sent: 6/27/2018 1:22:44 PM Eastern Standard Time > Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: OIL > > There are a number of items to consider. The stock Mazda pump is a > convenient package. So, good to go there. The Kidney shaped ports and the > bearing hole for the pump shaft will be in your new housings. Drillings to > connect to the oil pick up pipe and to the outside are required. The stock > pump will be more than adequate pressure and volume wise. You can score big > on the pickup shape (trumpet bell) and bolt on end with an "O" ring > feature. I like the pressure relief at the end of the system (Stock Mazda). > With one less rotor spraying oil there will be extra unused oil returning > to the pan. You might think about that oil returning to the top of a full > engine baffle plate to help reduce foaming. Stock galleries are fine and a > bit bigger than the holes in the stationary gears. Helps to radius those to > take off the sharp edges. > > The deeper the pan and the closer to the bottom is the end of the pickup, > the less likely it is that the engine can be starved for oil. So, steep > climbs and descents and long slips will be worry free. > > You can clock the stationary gears to accept incoming oil from any > location. > > Richard Sohn has done all of this and makes the adapter that puts in 2 > cycle oil instead of sump oil. He also has the balance figured out. Another > problem solved. > > The dry sump system is far more complex and has far more weight and uses a > very expensive pump. > Not in the running if I were doing it. If you need massive amounts of oil > flow you can buy the pieces of a dry sump pump and just build an external > pressure pump and use that on a wet sump engine. > > Lynn E. Hanover > > In a message dated 6/26/2018 6:07:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, > flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: > > Lynn, Due to enough ignorance to be embarrassing, I have kept quiet on > this one, but since somewhere down the track I am interested in making > single rotors with alloy end plates, the oil system comes into full focus > among many other things. Do I go with the stock oil pump or look at a dry > sump system for oil? What oil gallery's should be altered? Really the > gate is wide open with a new casting. Advice??? Neil. > > --0000000000009677fb056fa61b69 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Do I understand that you = are now running with the "Fluidyne DB-30618" cooler by itself
after having just tested the Oil to Coolant "Fluidyne" coo= ler for effect ??...........

Kelly Troyer

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018= at 3:05 PM, Accountlehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


From: lehanover@aol.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline= .net
Sent: 6/27/2018 1:22:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
Subject: Re= : [FlyRotary] Re: OIL

There are a number of items to consi= der. The stock Mazda pump is a convenient package. So, good to go there. Th= e Kidney shaped ports and the bearing hole for the pump shaft will be in yo= ur new housings. Drillings to connect to the oil pick up pipe and to the ou= tside are required. The stock pump will be more than adequate pressure and = volume wise. You can score big on the pickup shape (trumpet bell) and bolt = on end with an "O" ring feature. I like the pressure relief at th= e end of the system (Stock Mazda). With one less rotor spraying oil there w= ill be extra unused oil returning to the pan. You might think about that oi= l returning to the top of a full engine baffle plate to help reduce foaming= .=C2=A0 Stock galleries are fine and a bit bigger than the holes in the sta= tionary gears. Helps to radius those to take off the sharp edges.=C2=A0
=

The deeper the pan and the closer to= the bottom is the end of the pickup, the less likely it is that the engine= can be starved for oil. So, steep climbs and descents and long slips will = be worry free.

You can clock the stationary gears t= o accept incoming oil from any location.

Richard Sohn has done all of this an= d makes the adapter that puts in 2 cycle oil instead of sump oil. He also h= as the balance figured out. Another problem solved.

The dry sump system is far more comp= lex and has far more weight and uses a very expensive pump.
Not in the running if I were doing i= t. If you need massive amounts of oil flow you can buy the pieces of a dry = sump pump and just build an external pressure pump and use that on a wet su= mp engine.

Lynn E. Hanover

In a message dated 6/26/2018 6:07:14 PM= Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Lynn,=C2=A0=C2=A0 Due to enough ignorance to be embarrassing, I have kep= t quiet on this one, but since somewhere down the track I am interested in = making single rotors with alloy end plates, the oil system comes into full = focus among many other things.=C2=A0 Do I go with the stock oil pump or loo= k at a dry sump system for oil?=C2=A0 What oil gallery's should be alte= red?=C2=A0 Really the gate is wide open with a new casting.=C2=A0 Advice???= =C2=A0 Neil.




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