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Oi= l cooling was found unsatisfactory at flight power levels with both systems= when RX7 oil coolers were used. On the test stand, various oil cooler con= figurations were tested. The same AC evaporator core as used for coolant r= adiators was found to have less oil pressure drop but oil temperatures were= still too high. Two RX7 coolers were connected in parallel but were still= restrictive to oil flow. The two RX7 coolers were converted to single pas= s but were still restrictive to oil flow even when connected in parallel. = A water jacket was welded to an RX7 cooler thus converting it to an oil to = coolant exchanger. Oil temperatures were still too high with this setup wh= ich suggested to me that the heat exchange on the oil side of the RX7 coole= r core was the limiting factor. A Fluidyne DB-30617 cooler with damaged fi= ttings was purchased on Ebay. AN 10 male fittings were welded on replacing= the original damaged AN 12 ones. Installing this cooler on the test stand= resulted in much lower pressure drop across the core along with much impro= ved oil temperatures. It was only at this point that the expen$ive new Flu= idyne DB-30618 was purchased and installed in the plane. The positive resu= lts of this change has already been discussed. A Fluidyne oil to coolant exchanger (they only sell one model of these that= I know of) was then installed in the plane with good results. The oil to = air cooler was reinstalled purely to retain the redundancy of oil and coola= nt as cooling systems. Steve Boese > On Jun 26, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au wrote: >=20 > Steve, that sounds same size cooler that I had, was out of a 20b twin tur= bo cosmo car, pretty sure those cars were only sold by mazda in Japan & Aus= being RHD > That cooler tricked me as it would allow enough oil through to give rated= pressure on gauge, but only at low power would cool, as soon as flight was= attempted oil overheated quickly and took long time to cool down, second c= ooler was same frontal area but 75mm thick, better as would cool hot oil do= wn faster but again only at low power. Over 60 psi pressure drop at rpm, bu= t could have been more as that was max of 140psi gauge I had. > I would highly recommend hooking in a temporary pressure gauge (200psi) p= rior to the cooler to check its pressure drop, you may be surprised how lit= tle rpm you need to build pressure. > ARE & PWR both in brisbane are only Aus companies I have found to help an= d getting me quote on coolers similar to Fluidyne. If you want Fluidyne you= need third party (someone possibly going to Oshkosh) to carry it back as t= hey will not ship to us. > But saying all this you have the series 2 renesis which has different oil= setup to all other rotaries, Steve B has same so think his setup would be = very relevant to you. > Andrew