X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=wND+VjlTwNTMTw4lOVupfA==:117 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=rPi3fdYZC7IS6EVegjgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=bn_V46TQ13CemmqP4RgA:9 a=qwigqHmo4wJo7Pty:21 From: "Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au" Received: from mail-it0-f47.google.com ([209.85.214.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11298273 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:44:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.47; envelope-from=andrew@martinag.com.au Received: by mail-it0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j129-v6so2545522ita.2 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:44:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=martinag-com-au.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=L8kPpGAvee/eRE8eI7nAo9jpRVgX36uQUQ+/3NQR+/w=; b=uJzM53uyTLLC/3F7dOpEiEbo9QX/6Iwz20vOJYroPl68iH6R1fBOjzuCvjQWOm6zlF TvT/xyvsBFroyWDxRZluuoM+lAYsb3oT264KFnHX6vaAMyNdez9JHg+MpBRgiEjoY+Ti J11kYelW5OaJEaoTXrPfngpOIZkQS0cxzGLo0h8s/Z3h714fKFOndMhjCEtVKYegjuGh 99nqfZww1Y6bPeYHULK2eehfgOHPnl66srm3/FR2kXGP6nKMzoajmnbJS4w3JRKi2Mr/ YzXoMOwiNzUD43EVw0caxODHZm0qSl/gvuT2ATLfUnt61+TUCKz/w2oy07UUMYxVaU3E BxfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=L8kPpGAvee/eRE8eI7nAo9jpRVgX36uQUQ+/3NQR+/w=; b=Q/pF9iz4WllB5IZUhN0TJJp2EnRsuaVdY6amU+Sw6xQD1iNqkUi2Aucx1vovUir1kO eGpCMp8RfuIGwnnrRBEaPNMUtLwEA2tgjVsNpbLKUwNb+2v54SvGTxA4s7qUmG7Q6Z4m XCWf+3yeIagaXsfyyH5spAkl6Ie+4/BSHNyN5PY+SNeW5g4vSQ5XVeFt9yRslB1VB/5T HVzO4qwquuxmM0yKffRq2lTpom2tWOCw1gYseKBmfGat3ob/5AcuS5t85rOiJiBlq8XZ OOvMHQ30shR2Gtc6Q4G4stf++YbO3Ac8lufYq9sboFiPinGXt4bojTOIafC4BDrgNzg6 8Oag== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0BzdF9ql89bR/9goK0ERvxcDUdeuMk/HrmSQQgdDhEAwC6he8r 17PHng+PGI1JwGp6TzzQvhqBkJ2dMZExUrSRi9jn X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKN0fJ1dZ0nDZsHY5igmaatngTA4eyChSTlcCbEj7B9p1c5S4nHHnVKckxhdtR6KyBUp22MpBVcdJufrga7hDE= X-Received: by 2002:a02:82ca:: with SMTP id u10-v6mr8378065jag.100.1529883844495; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:44:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:43:53 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000196900056f6bd705" --000000000000196900056f6bd705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This engine and the flyrotary group continues to teach stuff I never thought I needed to know. Wish I=E2=80=99d bought a better cooler years ago rather than mucking aroun= d with the ones I had, ah well, knowledge is gained. I very much agree with high flow rates in the coolant, I have no thermostat and no restriction other than the radiator core, if it cools too much a cowl flap will fix that. All coolant pump flow circulates through engine and cooler in one loop so faster pump means more flow through engine for higher heat dissipation. On the oil, it was my understanding it works a bit differently, oil can flow through multiple paths, oil flow rate through the rotors/engine is farly constant from just above idle through to red line. Pump flow increases expotentially with rpm but the excess flow is dumped by the OCV back to sump. Also back to sump through front cover relief valve, thus not being cooled, like in a poorly setup system like mine. Does not matter how efficient the cooler is if it cannot get enough oil to go through it. This has been my problem in getting oil flow capacity from cooler manufactures. A pressure sensor before the cooler could have saved me wasted years. The front cover relief valve is just that, The systems safety valve, without it there is possibility in a blocked system pressure building to levels that blow hoses/ coolers etc, better to have an annoying over temperature issue to diagnose. --=20 Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag --000000000000196900056f6bd705 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This engine and the flyrotary group continues to teach st= uff I never thought I needed to know.
Wish I=E2=80= =99d bought a better cooler years ago rather than mucking around with the o= nes I had, ah well, knowledge is gained.

<= div dir=3D"auto">I very much agree with high flow rates in the coolant, I h= ave no thermostat and no restriction other than the radiator core, if it co= ols too much a cowl flap will fix that. All coolant pump flow circulates th= rough engine and cooler in one loop so faster pump means more flow through = engine for higher heat dissipation.
On the oil, it w= as my understanding it works a bit differently, oil can flow through multip= le paths, oil flow rate through the rotors/engine is farly constant from ju= st above idle through to red line. Pump flow increases expotentially with r= pm but the excess flow is dumped by the OCV back to sump. Also back to sump= through front cover relief valve, thus not being cooled, like in a poorly = setup system like mine. Does not matter how efficient the cooler is if it c= annot get enough oil to go through it. This has been my problem in getting = oil flow capacity from cooler manufactures.
A pressu= re sensor before the cooler could have saved me wasted years.
The front cover relief valve is just that, The systems safety val= ve, without it there is possibility in a blocked system pressure building t= o levels that blow hoses/ coolers etc, better to have an annoying over temp= erature issue to diagnose.
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Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag
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