X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HLeBLclv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=6IkFSfip7Xmh4uPNG/5zlQ==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=vxE4bBEkAAAA:20 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=S0LxZ6u1fcdGYe9i-MwA:9 a=TwbhrPZoZ0benwMU:21 a=DPA8vY5UjstqnCsL:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=oHvirCaBAAAA:8 a=2UJ00L_vsB792HMA_QIA:9 a=vwkwXWxU_Aa3wv91:21 a=hG9fejC0I78mrVHv:21 a=94DnFJpk9JiCjpr2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf0-f172.google.com ([209.85.192.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPS id 11264712 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:50:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.172; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a22-v6so5442649pfo.12 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:50:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=S2HQ5faWb7g7Hah2XFOBlEmHw1S3A0YUPB8LOxfqCto=; b=ARoSJ/ficPKY/70PZnwi6AkR7ew70Dek+009uSpQ/mQs9ecpbT3b//+yB+Mj8PvZX5 S7iAk8yt0uW6YBo0WQottCMouujjaJLVzSJBGH2hJEB8jJ54KIPRWubNXJarcHvfBRos JSB8LHesF80b6nyqydD3x/+ib14505x5zSG+cJg+CF7Dej3+yMnqQjKcUQYdMCDUvRgM QWR86SvJOX8KMW3GXo+RZ2xj8BZPLKbd5ZZQmRPUY0vPgSWpdVuF6Et2bTlu1CjHL8AV twu1OxaYt0FoMFInPmkDOdPznwwYtC1JwJxw9iIucQibwQcLOp2vqzY1MAWDZWt/6Lxa xENg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=S2HQ5faWb7g7Hah2XFOBlEmHw1S3A0YUPB8LOxfqCto=; b=FYqZyOx0dTsTiTfH+osxTgtjViPRudwL4QgZrG1b9L1UvDKrruBAsuG2MgcnVl0SUe spS/GztskluVXHlEslZ41D7q9QO9HlB+Cf0xJLxlR/fZ0+WdTMEEIidX0aY/ii+nTyAJ vRdc0X3P4xYmZT6L6KHUC0ZiBi42dvThe6pUA9weuHfrpkQ7hg1yzvV+BR+umt4ejS/F GrSgoYVQwPZTNyTc2ifNhVWN63VTeghvH/fQtvGlM/qj6KuPp42fmZ+jGhLACGrRSthD kB5vykXJHWZmj9+a4Ud9QoOv3+61YYeh3U3BhmMxo8NMYXiF/X1TrW8eqM6ckaxKchYm CI9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0JiQUdXeupnbf8N2siA0bu4+PrwfH7R0aQDfEfzLHl4JPenNAe W2WeAz99mr1H4vPtq0gpk5eeBr1g X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJjLr8hwEu7ta8pP5ph4bO5V6hEVl410/EBEHC8G0jDjGIg17IQqtPqHA6viPvZResTMVY+5A== X-Received: by 2002:a62:4653:: with SMTP id t80-v6mr3710969pfa.58.1529099394013; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k24-v6sm12473831pff.118.2018.06.15.14.49.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: alternator To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <3d61e978-30f5-f84a-b553-6d6c9498e181@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:48:21 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D2B5A632C44B2C8CA3D0A196" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D2B5A632C44B2C8CA3D0A196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Todd,  Yep that was the Amazon "you beaut" deal with what was listed as $198  USD.  Such is what I have to contend with in freight  etc.  Still I have it -- eventually,  Neil., On 6/15/2018 4:08 PM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote: > Are you talking about the Compufire stator/rotor/regulator from Amazon > that I gave you a link for? Otherwise don't you have a Harley > dealership over there? That's where I started my quest, knowing that I > was gonna be paying far more money than I would by getting aftermarket > parts on-line, but I wanted to actually hold and measure parts before > putting money down, which was a good idea, because there are a few > different models and sizes, so I examined them as best as I could, but > they were a little hesitant about me opening sealed boxes to make my > choice. But I was up front with them about what I was doing and why I > didn't have actual part numbers to know what I needed. They had no > problem with the aircraft application idea, but I'm pretty sure they > thought I was a little crazy, but my $400 was still all they really > cared about. > > Todd > > Todd Bartrim > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com > > wrote: > > Todd,  The alternator from the web site  supplied finished at $348 > delivered.  (AUD)  That is getting it delivered by camel and > raft.  ONe month delivery! > > > On 6/15/2018 3:38 PM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com > wrote: >> Hi Neil; >>    I can't confirm for certain but yes, 2.77" sounds about right. >>   After the flywheel and damper drive modifications to increase >> clearance, I still only had 1.43" to squeeze it in there, so that >> is why I also shaved a little off of both sides of the rotor cup >> and also machined a shallow depression into the backside of the >> psru backplate to allow mounting the stator close to the plate >> and still have clearance for the windings. >> This link will show a pic of where I measured the 1.43" >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/K7MLLdvV6QwLYVG89 >> >>   At a little over 1.5" before any modifications to increase that >> room, then you are much better off than I was when i began. >>    When I decided to try it, I really had no more than the desire >> & determination to experiment and a "Hairy chested hero" idea >> that I set down $400 at the local Harley shop as a bet that I >> could make this work, knowing also that I was modifying an >> expensive PSRU, that is no longer available for purchase. That >> gamble paid off for me and I proved that it can be done. >>   So I would say that you gotta ask yourself whether this is >> something that you really want in your own installation and if >> yes then put that money down on a single rotor/stator and go to >> work to see if you can make it work for yourself on your own design. >>   Then if you are as happy with it as I am with mine, you can >> figure out at what cost you can offer it as an option. >>   If I were in your shoes I don't think that I would go to the >> trouble if your only motivation is to provide it as an option for >> others. But if like I said, you want this for yourself as well, >> then go for it and if successful and affordable, then others can >> have the option of one as well. >> >> Todd >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 19:19 Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com >> , > > wrote: >> >> Todd, >> >>                    From what I can gather  the ID of the >> stator is 2.77 >> inches.  Does that sound correct?    To land a unit from the >> US or buy >> in OZ , the cost is  Pushing $375 AUD or $285 USD.  I have a >> little over >> 1.5 inches to mount in between the drive and the plate. Do >> you remember >> what space you had?  Thanks,  Neil. >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> > > --------------D2B5A632C44B2C8CA3D0A196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Todd,  Yep that was the Amazon "you beaut" deal with what was listed as $198  USD.  Such is what I have to contend with in freight  etc.  Still I have it -- eventually,  Neil.,


On 6/15/2018 4:08 PM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote:
Are you talking about the Compufire stator/rotor/regulator from Amazon that I gave you a link for? Otherwise don't you have a Harley dealership over there? That's where I started my quest, knowing that I was gonna be paying far more money than I would by getting aftermarket parts on-line, but I wanted to actually hold and measure parts before putting money down, which was a good idea, because there are a few different models and sizes, so I examined them as best as I could, but they were a little hesitant about me opening sealed boxes to make my choice. But I was up front with them about what I was doing and why I didn't have actual part numbers to know what I needed. They had no problem with the aircraft application idea, but I'm pretty sure they thought I was a little crazy, but my $400 was still all they really cared about.

Todd

Todd Bartrim

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Todd,  The alternator from the web site  supplied finished at $348 delivered.  (AUD)  That is getting it delivered by camel and raft.  ONe month delivery!


On 6/15/2018 3:38 PM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Neil;
   I can't confirm for certain but yes, 2.77" sounds about right.
  After the flywheel and damper drive modifications to increase clearance, I still only had 1.43" to squeeze it in there, so that is why I also shaved a little off of both sides of the rotor cup and also machined a shallow depression into the backside of the psru backplate to allow mounting the stator close to the plate and still have clearance for the windings.
This link will show a pic of where I measured the 1.43"
  At a little over 1.5" before any modifications to increase that room, then you are much better off than I was when i began. 
   When I decided to try it, I really had no more than the desire & determination to experiment and a "Hairy chested hero" idea that I set down $400 at the local Harley shop as a bet that I could make this work, knowing also that I was modifying an expensive PSRU, that is no longer available for purchase. That gamble paid off for me and I proved that it can be done.
  So I would say that you gotta ask yourself whether this is something that you really want in your own installation and if yes then put that money down on a single rotor/stator and go to work to see if you can make it work for yourself on your own design.
  Then if you are as happy with it as I am with mine, you can figure out at what cost you can offer it as an option.
  If I were in your shoes I don't think that I would go to the trouble if your only motivation is to provide it as an option for others. But if like I said, you want this for yourself as well, then go for it and if successful and affordable, then others can have the option of one as well.

Todd

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 19:19 Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Todd,

                   From what I can gather  the ID of the stator is 2.77
inches.  Does that sound correct?    To land a unit from the US or buy
in OZ , the cost is  Pushing $375 AUD or $285 USD.  I have a little over
1.5 inches to mount in between the drive and the plate. Do you remember
what space you had?  Thanks,  Neil.

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