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[67.58.218.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b70-v6sm2740514ioa.64.2018.06.13.20.22.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_7659162.200218082870" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:22:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: alternator To: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Mailbird/2.5.8.0 X-Mailbird-ID: a0efebf6-4024-4294-85b0-0339322aad23@getmailbird.com ------=_NextPart_7659162.200218082870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sitting on the fence with that answer.... If we loose our belt, we don't have a water pump, which means we are landin= g asap anyways. Certainly we have enough battery juice, that will last long= er then the engine over heating. With these new PWM alternators (P-D style = regulator, which the RX8 is), they don't have internal regulators to go bad= like old style alternators. I'm really not worried about a backup alt, but that's just me. Maybe 35amps= is enough for a primary alt though. Then it makes things interesting. - Matt Boiteau On 6/13/2018 10:27:47 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com wrote: Todd, Main measurement is the ID of the stator pack. I have to have an ID of 2 5/= 8 inches to clear my cushion drive, Then with modification I may have 1 3/4= inches space between the plate and the cushion drive plate. Will have to m= easure. The harley seems a good price compared to the Racemate. Neil. On 6/14/2018 11:29 AM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com [mailto:bartrim@gmail= .com] wrote: Hi Neil; First, my apologies for not answering your earlier question sooner, but it'= s been a busy week. I'm not certain which dimension that you were looking for, but with it in p= lace it is difficult to measure anything but the rotor cup. Those measurements are 6.3" OD on the cup and after I machined a little off= the face edge of the cup I was left with 1.35" thickness. Looking back at = my report it looks like I had to remove a total of about 0.156 off both sid= es of the cup to make it fit so it was probably about 1.5" thick originally= . At the time I did this I had detailed notes on every possible dimension, = but that was some years back. Not knowing enough about your PSRU, I can't say for certain which would be = a good fit, but from what I can see of the Racemate, while it is a good sol= ution for the purpose in which it was intended as a belt driven waterpump a= lt, I think if I was to do it again, I would not hesitate to use the Harley= style again, rather than pay extra to modify something that is well design= ed for the other end of the engine. But I would not buy it from the local Harley shop ever again as I paid far = too much for it. I would use the Compufire #55540 kit with rotor, stator & = regulator which can be bought at Amazon.com right now for $197.64 usd. https://www.amazon.com/Compu-Fire-32-amp-Charging-System-55540/product-revi= ews/B000GUWM5K [https://www.amazon.com/Compu-Fire-32-amp-Charging-System-55= 540/product-reviews/B000GUWM5K] This would be your most cost effective way to add it in and apparently Comp= ufire is manufactured in the USA. (for those worried that it is a cheap Chi= nese knock-off) As far as machining costs, once again I do not know the details of your des= ign, but with mine the greatest difficulty was in doing it as a one off des= ign. But if I was to have been doing a bunch of them, I don't think the add= itional machining would be too onerous, but would not be able to put a doll= ar amount on that work. And of course, outside of machining and parts costs= , you've got to cut yourself a little something as profit for this venture. Now with that said, to answer your current question if we think it would be= worth it, I would say yes. I've been doing a fair bit of ground testing fo= r unrelated issues but as I disconnected my main alternator in order to acc= ess oil lines, I've been running on the back-up PM alt only and it is worki= ng flawlessly. Even with both working I can switch seamlessly from the main= to the back-up with only a slight volt drop of 0.4 due to different voltag= e regulators. It seems like a lot of money, but in my opinion it is better money spent th= an on a back-up lightweight battery. Of course I won't be a customer since = I already have it and my opinion is biased, but while I could list more tha= n a handful of things that I wouldn't do again, this isn't one of them. I would do it again in a heartbeat. Todd Todd Bartrim On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com [mailto:1234= 8ung@gmail.com] wrote: Group, Have done some investigation into mounting another generator on the cushion= drive and I think it is possible if I use the Racemate rather than the har= ley. Cost appears to be similar but the dimensions of the Racement seem mor= e adaptable. I will have to alter the cushion drive to fit, but that is sim= ply an annoyance at this stage. Guessing the cost involved it looks like $3= 50 for the generator and regulator, plus possibly an additional $200 for ma= chining making an additional $550 USD for the generator. IS this cost effective?? You only can answer this for me. The generator put= s out 35 amps. What say you all? Regards. Neil -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ [http://www.flyrotary.com/] Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.ht= ml [http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html] ------=_NextPart_7659162.200218082870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sitting on the fence with that = answer....

If we loose our belt, we don't have a water pump, which m= eans we are landing asap anyways. Certainly we have enough battery juice, t= hat will last longer then the engine over heating. With these new PWM alter= nators (P-D style regulator, which the RX8 is), they don't have internal re= gulators to go bad like old style alternators.

I'm really not worrie= d about a backup alt, but that's just me. Maybe 35amps is enough for a prim= ary alt though. Then it makes things interesting.



- Matt Boiteau

On 6= /13/2018 10:27:47 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancairon= line.net> wrote:

Todd,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Main measurement is the ID of the stator pack.=C2= =A0 I have to have an ID of 2 5/8 inches to clear my cushion drive, Then with modification I may have 1 3/4 inches space between the plate and the cushion drive plate.=C2=A0 Will have to measure.=C2=A0 The ha= rley seems a good price compared to the Racemate.=C2=A0 Neil.


On 6/14/2018 11:29 AM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Neil;
=C2=A0 First, my apologies for not answering your earlier question sooner, but it's been a busy week.
I'm not certain which dimension that you were looking for, but with it in place it is difficult to measure anything but the rotor cup.
Those measurements are 6.3" OD on the cup and after I machined a little off the face edge of the cup I was left with 1.35" thickness. Looking back at my report it looks like I had to remove a total of about 0.156 off both sides of the cup to make it fit so it was probably about 1.5" thick originally. At the time I did this I had detailed notes on every possible dimension, but that was some years back.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Not knowing enough about your PSRU, I can't say f= or certain which would be a good fit, but from what I can see of the Racemate, while it is a good solution for the purpose in which it was intended as a belt driven waterpump alt, I think if I was to do it again, I would not hesitate to use the Harley style again, rather than pay extra to modify something that is well designed for the other end of the engine.
=C2=A0 But I would not buy it from the local Harley shop ever again as I paid far too much for it. I would use the Compufire #55540 kit with rotor, stator & regulator which can be bought at Amazon.com right now for $197.64 usd.
This would be your most cost effective way to add it in and apparently Compufire is manufactured in the USA. (for those worried that it is a cheap Chinese knock-off)
=C2=A0 As far as machining costs, once again I do not know the details of your design, but with mine the greatest difficulty was in doing it as a one off design. But if I was to have been doing a bunch of them, I don't think the additional machining would be too onerous, but would not be able to put a dollar amount on that work. And of course, outside of machining and parts costs, you've got to cut yourself a little something as profit for this venture.
=C2=A0 Now with that said, to answer your current question if = we think it would be worth it, I would say yes. I've been doing a fair bit of ground testing for unrelated issues but as I disconnected my main alternator in order to access oil lines, I've been running on the back-up PM alt only and it is working flawlessly. Even with both working I can switch seamlessly from the main to the back-up with only a slight volt drop of 0.4 due to different voltage regulators.
=C2=A0 It seems like a lot of money, but in my opinion it is better money spent than on a back-up lightweight battery. Of course I won't be a customer since I already have it and my opinion is biased, but while I could list more than a handful of things that I wouldn't do again, this isn't one of them.
=C2=A0 I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Todd

Todd Bartrim

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net> wrote:
Group,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have done s= ome investigation into mounting another generator on the cushion drive and I think it is possible if I use the Racemate rather than the harley.=C2=A0 Cost appears to be similar but the dimensions of the Racement seem more adaptable.=C2=A0 I will have to alter the cushion drive to fit, but that is simply an annoyance at this stage.=C2=A0 Guessing the cost involved it looks like $350 for the generator and regulator, plus possibly an additional $200 for machining making an additional $550 USD for the generator.

IS this cost effective??=C2=A0 You only can answer this for me.= =C2=A0 The generator puts out 35 amps.

What say you all?

Regards.=C2=A0 Neil

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