X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Q9qQ2M+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Whql53aJ2OU7CwvO1+AKcQ==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=9NfvVgH7TPcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=6Azz6AtYAAAA:20 a=ybZZDoGAAAAA:8 a=DmE-kScZAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=6gxy2nvOLy6tcgeT1rgA:9 a=cvUTjq7Wo_4NxVVd:21 a=1e7irQbdTS6jHD8T:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pwIsg5dIfQsylC6eflcA:9 a=TgH57X4laRXcYRs_:21 a=8vkmnfI7pickkPfw:21 a=8voPIKdgIT-O0g3S:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=0RhZnL1DYvcuLYC8JZ5M:22 a=8l0Fykn6q59mmwej6vd0:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Ernest Christley echristley@att.net" Received: from sonic303-26.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.64.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.4) with ESMTP id 11239750 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:53:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.137.64.207; envelope-from=echristley@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1528674773; bh=XKCAuk2GrbdkOuhB2ar11sRJ9Z7AJsmBW2e/PvA/Fl4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=S7kEvYdHfn1eEuxlZl2lBLQmH/SY+o8sRnSIl3Vq48Dv1dRLoCP+qyak8PVaUdUYg1NK1/c7/QiN6EZ49xh/Jv0UmrR07X+HMAT9H2UiYn4n9sTlF2JHQcS2HwVu9QrqcAUqhFrZqaRiN5WQIsdI/l5sJpwlT5r2xMv7y/cXdek= X-YMail-OSG: prq1qdsVM1nsdQXGvf8yAmtsABR2KT83m0wY.1DlaNmIB8bkTNDbsr4d8R5GTHq pn6cy0WysV1hyV.n9dQCqe6mfSJyqAtnXpK7GYiZM7CvrucvFjkGAhPDRqFpne7FzmDi7Ks2s.pD Vbi2J3u0QRtSB7quCqGBQf50nN.9zSb3qNLx6eaj5ySUk.3xPEb.qGk8EztqH4hfECMem.Azouk_ Hggab8XFyMM5GZx20lM.S8973Ufg2dKhNi63L1es0FBV4gjJ5Z8uodr4Qnj.uOzsq81WP3rGmZgs RklV8OYDmGkcWoJG833zA5m0tXHJFyP1coPrGOeL9Hb3SBLNQKjYtez9yTd3r7f7IW5Rd2zJC1tq pDXeNmvkJKOfeiURqAccCEqRkez1co2K2PK5N1CzZxlHekJAKLWAy3Yol5sXOQQx0XNgJoDFfYf7 t4jVJiSo.LxSaR_tlDjsNfyU71iqzBIyNLItl6nt8f3MMkUzozq4VSlnUc74d_YY.HyKyW.dDV6n YIL7ErcR6SSZFqr3Y5vRwmFNyd0AH7P2Ula99T2OAuhS5jx7T7Q5jwU0Z756ajmCb04wmzfICbbQ 4yxSr6ExgnJ_coA0a3tSTTbP9cfOhF99RNxKuajHOU1HceU34Muf8GK2kNp1iJroCes2JSVhBsk_ bWgykpR6LgfRijMHN3lPj4HiRHPe7ojmYsVHSohRYnOivwAkSYmDwsxckRbDnltSNCAr0vZw9OkG ja6vVyKdQU2.Nl0jdASt05eK7k9EcDbL627Dq6_UWGNXiVutLSzPgfRnvQVxDXxiyk7gu4kVT9aG RJWpamGyCkm3F1xi1LJpA3Zj9r13GXU_ufaz1bbKMte9wQ8kn8WUUHd5ansQXPSgA_BuBRptExxL hycf5JMKzyX5sxBNpqSXjjkTMn3pbpsYHoaUkxMiBpSHrQKNjMLLoKQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 23:52:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 23:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <195280282.2802062.1528674770006@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PSRU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2802061_1820004111.1528674770003" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11950 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 Content-Length: 15630 ------=_Part_2802061_1820004111.1528674770003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems like a long time ago now, but when I built a Harley-Davidson gener= ator into my PSRU, I bolted the coil pack to the back of the PSRU housing.= =C2=A0 This allowed me to run the wire out without having to deal with wire= s that rotate.=C2=A0 The magnet pack, I bolted to the flexplate with an ada= pter.=C2=A0 The magnet pack are designed to ride a motorcycle's shaft, whic= h redline at 9,000 (at least, that is what I was told at the time.)=20 On Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:01 PM, "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" wrote: =20 Todd, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have read your Blog and very impressive. However only on= e measurement that is of use -- the thickness of the pack.=C2=A0 Do you hav= e by any chance the internal measurement of the coil pack?? My cushion driv= e has a 2 inch RHS =C2=A0 just where the coil pack would go.=C2=A0 Without = measuring it I would guess a 3 inch=C2=A0 diameter, which may be too big.= =C2=A0 There are 3 places to fit the generator,=C2=A0 On the PSRU, the back= of the prop, and the front of the E shaft.=C2=A0 Now that will get the "ca= nary" squawking.=C2=A0 Regards,=C2=A0 Neil. =20 On 6/9/2018 6:07 PM, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote: =20 Hi Neil; =C2=A0 It is probably too late for you to consider this in your d= esign however I'll throw it out there anyways. =C2=A0A few years ago I modi= fied my RD-1B to allow the installation of a stator & rotor to have a back-= up PM type of generator between the engine and PSRU. I've got a few hours o= f ground running on this and it has run flawlessly. It was a big job to ret= rofit it into my existing PSRU, but possibly not be a big deal for you to a= dd as an option on your unit. The full write up on how I did it along with = parts etc. can be read here in a PDF document. https://drive.google.com/fil= e/d/0B9-1Iqfk8J8ncDJTbGRZc3BmdlE/view?usp=3Dsharing=20 It might be worth considering, as I know that if I was in the market for = a PSRU, I'd certainly pay extra to have a built-in back-up power source.=20 Todd =20 Todd Bartrim =20 On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com wrote: =20 Martin, =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 There are wins and losses.=C2=A0 Basically in the=C2=A0= AUD market there are savings on freight and insurance is possibly unnecess= ary.=C2=A0 However I cop the freight components of parts from the USA which= is horrendous.=C2=A0 The same article cost double to get it freighted back= from the USA as what it costs from OZ=C2=A0 to the US.=C2=A0 However that = is all my problem, so a quick cost in OZ would be around $7000.=C2=A0 I apo= logise for that cost,=C2=A0 But it is what it is.=C2=A0 I am aware that an = engine controller costs about half that, which all adds to the cost.=C2=A0 = Regards, Neil. =20 =20 On 6/9/2018 10:57 AM, Martin King martin.king@pobox.com wrote: > Hello Neil> > What will it be in $AUD ?> > On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, 07:42 Nei= l Unger 12348ung@gmail.com > > wrote:> > Gents,> > I c= an finally announce that I have overcome all hurdles and my PSRU > is ready= for sale. It is almost a copy of Tracy's so will fit > exactly in the same= mounting position and mounting holes. It differs > to Tracy's in that the = cushion drive mounts directly onto the E > shaft, so puts no stress onto th= e flexplate. The cushion drive is > from vulcanized rubber and if the rubbe= r disintegrates it then > becomes a metal to metal drive which will get you= to the ground. The > input shaft is a one piece shaft so no possibility of= the pin > shearing. Ratio is 3.17 ; 1 and the planetry housing is machined= > from solid to ensure no failures. All based on the Ford gears. I > shoul= d note a warning to any with a ford planetry that having > dismantled 8 of = these (48 assemblies) I have found 2 sun gears with > one needle roller mis= sing from the bearing set. Seems that the > mexicans or whoever puts these = together is not checking as they go > together. This just worries me, but m= ay not make much difference. > Prop shaft is on timken taper bearings, so e= nd thrust is not a > problem and all lubricated with engine oil. Price for = the first 5 is > $5500 USD which is slightly discounted due to damage in tr= ansit of > the alloy cushion drives. Mounting plate is an extra and sold by= > Randy kempf. Freight is $300 and max insurance I can get for another > $= 200 is $5000 AUD which is $3800 USD. Any interested let me or Randy > Kempf= know as Randy is my distributor for the US market. His web > site is Eithe= r Rotarpower . net or na73x.wixsite.com/rotarpower > This is breaking news, so> the web site has not yet caught= up. Also looking at altering the > mounting plate as in shifting the start= er motor to the bottom middle > to remove it from exhaust heat. Any thought= s on this?? MY thanks to > Tracy for his assistance who as we all know was = years ahead of his > time. Neil Unger.> > > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrota= ry.com/ Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net: 81/lists/flyrot= ary/List.html>=20 oll =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_2802061_1820004111.1528674770003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= It seems like a long ti= me ago now, but when I built a Harley-Davidson generator into my PSRU, I bo= lted the coil pack to the back of the PSRU housing.  This allowed me t= o run the wire out without having to deal with wires that rotate.  The= magnet pack, I bolted to the flexplate with an adapter.  The magnet p= ack are designed to ride a motorcycle's shaft, which redline at 9,000 (at l= east, that is what I was told at the time.)


On Sunday, June = 10, 2018 7:01 PM, "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net> wrote:


=20 =20 =20
Todd,
           =     Have read your Blog and very impressive. However only one measurement that is of use -- the thickness of the pack.&nbs= p; Do you have by any chance the internal measurement of the coil pack?? My cushion drive has a 2 inch RHS   just where the coil pack would go.  Without measuring it I would guess a 3 inch = ; diameter, which may be too big.  There are 3 places to fit the generator,  On the PSRU, the back of the prop, and the front of the E shaft.  Now that will get the "canary" squawking.  Re= gards,  Neil.

On 6/9/2018 6:07 PM, Todd B= artrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Neil;
  It is probably too late for you to consider this in you= r design however I'll throw it out there anyways.
 A few years ago I modified my RD-1B to allow the installation of a stator & rotor to have a back-up PM type of generator between the engine and PSRU.
I've got a few hours of ground running on this and it has run flawlessly. It was a big job to retrofit it into my existing PSRU, but possibly not be a big deal for you to add as an option on your unit.
The full write up on how I did it along with parts etc. can be read here in a PDF document.
https://dr= ive.google.com/file/d/0B9-1Iqfk8J8ncDJTbGRZc3BmdlE/view?usp=3Dsharing

It might be worth considering, as I know that if I was in the market for a PSRU, I'd certainly pay extra to have a built-in back-up power source.

Todd

Todd Bartrim

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:33= PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Martin,

    There are wins and losses.  Basically= in the  AUD market there are savings on freight and insurance is possibly unnecessary.  However I cop the freight components of parts from the USA which is horrendous.  T= he same article cost double to get it freighted back from the USA as what it costs from OZ  to the US.  However t= hat is all my problem, so a quick cost in OZ would be around $7000.  I apologise for that cost,  But it is what = it is.  I am aware that an engine controller costs about half that, which all adds to the cost.  Regards, Neil.=


On 6/9/2018 10:57 AM, Martin King martin.king@pobox.com wrote:
> Hell= o Neil >=20 > What will it be in $AUD ? >=20 > On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, 07:42 Neil Unger 12= 348ung@gmail.com=20 > <mailto:12348ung@gmail.com> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= =20 > <mailto:flyrotar= y@ lancaironline.net>> wrote: >=20 > Gents, >=20 > I can finally announce that I have overcome all hurdles and my PSRU=20 > is ready for sale. It is almost a copy of Tracy's so will fit=20 > exactly in the same mounting position and mounting holes. It differs= =20 > to Tracy's in that the cushion drive mounts directly onto the E=20 > shaft, so puts no stress onto the flexplate. The cushion drive is=20 > from vulcanized rubber and if the rubber disintegrates it then=20 > becomes a metal to metal drive which will get you to the ground. The= =20 > input shaft is a one piece shaft so no possibility of the pin=20 > shearing. Ratio is 3.17 ; 1 and the planetry housing is machined=20 > from solid to ensure no failures. All based on the Ford gears. I=20 > should note a warning to any with a ford planetry that having=20 > dismantled 8 of these (48 assemblies) I have found 2 sun gears with=20 > one needle roller missing from the bearing set. Seems that the=20 > mexicans or whoever puts these together is not checking as they go=20 > together. This just worries me, but may not make much difference.=20 > Prop shaft is on timken taper bearings, so end thrust is not a=20 > problem and all lubricated with engine oil. Price for the first 5 is= =20 > $5500 USD which is slightly discounted due to damage in transit of=20 > the alloy cushion drives. Mounting plate is an extra and sold by=20 > Randy kempf. Freight is $300 and max insurance I can get for another= =20 > $200 is $5000 AUD which is $3800 USD. Any interested let me or Randy= =20 > Kempf know as Randy is my distributor for the US market. His web=20 > site is Either Rotarpower . net or na73x.wixsite.com/rota= rpower=20 > <http://na73x.wixsite.com/ rotarpower> This is breakin= g news, so > the web site has not yet caught up. Also looking at altering the=20 > mounting plate as in shifting the starter motor to the bottom middle= =20 > to remove it from exhaust heat. Any thoughts on this?? MY thanks to=20 > Tracy for his assistance who as we all know was years ahead of his=20 > time. Neil Unger. >=20 >=20 > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net: 81/lists/flyrotary/List.html<= /a> >=20
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