X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Q9qQ2M+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=rxAKiTD8bQmauZVlwM9vwA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=xXDCcK6TKBsA:10 a=7mUfYlMuFuIA:10 a=6Azz6AtYAAAA:20 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ybZZDoGAAAAA:8 a=DmE-kScZAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=AY8E34gfiVxMGAo1Vc4A:9 a=gV1A-FMHMktkkBvM:21 a=yE9WdLrVZf9zMBVd:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=bi8DuBWC8g_jvokeUKoA:9 a=oJlGrZA76SYLRv76:21 a=B3kaLtXaLHGihs3h:21 a=y5aQ4q3qPF3sgOYN:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=0RhZnL1DYvcuLYC8JZ5M:22 a=8l0Fykn6q59mmwej6vd0:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com" Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.4) with ESMTPS id 11234958 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 04:07:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.54; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 69-v6so7558726wmf.3 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 01:08:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UtD+hlgOxzStrcAl7J94cJledRdaYRCPoHpFQNJ2SmM=; b=WbcCkvpl1FbFaLVIrK9XaobHTxATv0ysfZrqLKDtu+bmDTH0O4L0Ih2ir6nvfJY6Ve 0Ux1Uw7hjN/3i1heulvLXIQdRVwBN/LMBhb1T9A8qWoXQV0qI8pc7ZtnCLv1Fw9ZkG8G jjmc+cyxPLCbsbBBpJv0Su/jwSbtXxQd1yIvJWzFR4c/SKRX7o5eMCOC113rhRslPKyg hNV3nNFvXgsSMdUTa5eKAc3bC6uh4142O8LeAMgjySspr3yQqqmuumJRXdoukHcxAwT6 ylJt/cbqRjHNyZtrIGeYOtlKfGoo2EfDVGsBOWAVOjt2Qwj8nfSwZhhvPHCMiJUWmFsA 3how== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=UtD+hlgOxzStrcAl7J94cJledRdaYRCPoHpFQNJ2SmM=; b=pSksY3u1z4Amio8/l2iTnDl1VS0iUusvbKPk0XKY9VG+dz9wbbba9eso5z8tsK+a22 u3ClMJp17wE7fDppJctTt9LPDrV+u1lxwqA3jYfBYCcl88mMVDDd4gnCf2U4tR1034/D cS4ZO/ylesAZbvjrLhaa1QgTGLrG58AC1KDuMDHSb/9jFY3K2iWdh5Qlap8Qk9qBqCY3 Ra67LX7ozjoaJh9/DcQFAW0IAnfVRLWKceQGHF1nZWM/q8qY53S0Io1IbvU0jMkeRZl6 zr15q3oAFvx2KiQwJvgo5cE3WDaGMEpccGAyt91nkqAPMM3fOJfiPDALowyqtDwoZ5/l 1W9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1PI+Q+0obNG3RR0FgNhuHYTB6XXcBSYVy3K/p66bnYpp83JxaB H/qL1vMwV9Wkne9opEnm6HYlt3AtVY5b224NIm5x X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKZ4mxEAlpTm7w7aeje8f1VRcvknTGzUyuEPjBfGLzvrfM2EPDrZyPiYzX4pwlZ6cbaIt0Yx19lMMMfhUklX8g= X-Received: by 2002:a50:cdcc:: with SMTP id h12-v6mr10046579edj.159.1528531659616; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 01:07:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a50:f5ef:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jun 2018 01:07:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 01:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PSRU To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000099760b056e3102f1" --00000000000099760b056e3102f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Neil; It is probably too late for you to consider this in your design however I'll throw it out there anyways. A few years ago I modified my RD-1B to allow the installation of a stator & rotor to have a back-up PM type of generator between the engine and PSRU. I've got a few hours of ground running on this and it has run flawlessly. It was a big job to retrofit it into my existing PSRU, but possibly not be a big deal for you to add as an option on your unit. The full write up on how I did it along with parts etc. can be read here in a PDF document. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9-1Iqfk8J8ncDJTbGRZc3BmdlE/view?usp=sharing It might be worth considering, as I know that if I was in the market for a PSRU, I'd certainly pay extra to have a built-in back-up power source. Todd Todd Bartrim On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Martin, > > There are wins and losses. Basically in the AUD market there are > savings on freight and insurance is possibly unnecessary. However I cop > the freight components of parts from the USA which is horrendous. The same > article cost double to get it freighted back from the USA as what it costs > from OZ to the US. However that is all my problem, so a quick cost in OZ > would be around $7000. I apologise for that cost, But it is what it is. > I am aware that an engine controller costs about half that, which all adds > to the cost. Regards, *Neil.* > > > On 6/9/2018 10:57 AM, Martin King martin.king@pobox.com wrote: > > Hello Neil > > What will it be in $AUD ? > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, 07:42 > Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com > > <12348ung@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > Gents, > > I can finally > announce that I have overcome all hurdles and my PSRU > is ready for sale. > It is almost a copy of Tracy's so will fit > exactly in the same mounting > position and mounting holes. It differs > to Tracy's in that the cushion > drive mounts directly onto the E > shaft, so puts no stress onto the > flexplate. The cushion drive is > from vulcanized rubber and if the rubber > disintegrates it then > becomes a metal to metal drive which will get you > to the ground. The > input shaft is a one piece shaft so no possibility of > the pin > shearing. Ratio is 3.17 ; 1 and the planetry housing is machined > > from solid to ensure no failures. All based on the Ford gears. I > should > note a warning to any with a ford planetry that having > dismantled 8 of > these (48 assemblies) I have found 2 sun gears with > one needle roller > missing from the bearing set. Seems that the > mexicans or whoever puts > these together is not checking as they go > together. This just worries me, > but may not make much difference. > Prop shaft is on timken taper bearings, > so end thrust is not a > problem and all lubricated with engine oil. Price > for the first 5 is > $5500 USD which is slightly discounted due to damage > in transit of > the alloy cushion drives. Mounting plate is an extra and > sold by > Randy kempf. Freight is $300 and max insurance I can get for > another > $200 is $5000 AUD which is $3800 USD. Any interested let me or > Randy > Kempf know as Randy is my distributor for the US market. His web > > site is Either Rotarpower . net or na73x.wixsite.com/rotarpower > > > This is breaking news, so > the web > site has not yet caught up. Also looking at altering the > mounting plate > as in shifting the starter motor to the bottom middle > to remove it from > exhaust heat. Any thoughts on this?? MY thanks to > Tracy for his > assistance who as we all know was years ahead of his > time. Neil Unger. > > > > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: > > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > oll > > --00000000000099760b056e3102f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Neil;
=C2=A0 It is probably too late for you to con= sider this in your design however I'll throw it out there anyways.
=C2=A0A few years ago I modified my RD-1B to allow the installation o= f a stator & rotor to have a back-up PM type of generator between the e= ngine and PSRU.
I've got a few hours of ground running on thi= s and it has run flawlessly. It was a big job to retrofit it into my existi= ng PSRU, but possibly not be a big deal for you to add as an option on your= unit.
The full write up on how I did it along with parts etc. ca= n be read here in a PDF document.
=

It might be worth considering, as I know that if I was = in the market for a PSRU, I'd certainly pay extra to have a built-in ba= ck-up power source.

Todd

Todd Bartrim

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Neil Unger <= a href=3D"mailto:12348ung@gmail.com">12348ung@gmail.com <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Martin,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 There are wins and losses.=C2=A0 Basically in the=C2= =A0 AUD market there are savings on freight and insurance is possibly unnecessary.=C2=A0 However I cop the freight components of parts from the USA which is horrendous.=C2=A0 The same article cost double to get it freighted back from the USA as what it costs from OZ=C2=A0 to the US.=C2=A0 However th= at is all my problem, so a quick cost in OZ would be around $7000.=C2=A0 I apologise for that cost,=C2=A0 But it is what it is.=C2=A0 I am aware t= hat an engine controller costs about half that, which all adds to the cost.=C2=A0 Regards, Neil.


On 6/9/2018 10:57 AM, Martin King martin.king@pobox.com wrote:
> Hell= o Neil >=20 > What will it be in $AUD ? >=20 > On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, 07:42 Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com=20 > <mailto:12348ung@gmail.com> <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net=20 > <mailto:flyrotary@<= wbr>lancaironline.net>> wrote: >=20 > Gents, >=20 > I can finally announce that I have overcome all hurdles and my PSRU=20 > is ready for sale. It is almost a copy of Tracy's so will fit=20 > exactly in the same mounting position and mounting holes. It differs= =20 > to Tracy's in that the cushion drive mounts directly onto the E=20 > shaft, so puts no stress onto the flexplate. The cushion drive is=20 > from vulcanized rubber and if the rubber disintegrates it then=20 > becomes a metal to metal drive which will get you to the ground. The= =20 > input shaft is a one piece shaft so no possibility of the pin=20 > shearing. Ratio is 3.17 ; 1 and the planetry housing is machined=20 > from solid to ensure no failures. All based on the Ford gears. I=20 > should note a warning to any with a ford planetry that having=20 > dismantled 8 of these (48 assemblies) I have found 2 sun gears with=20 > one needle roller missing from the bearing set. Seems that the=20 > mexicans or whoever puts these together is not checking as they go=20 > together. This just worries me, but may not make much difference.=20 > Prop shaft is on timken taper bearings, so end thrust is not a=20 > problem and all lubricated with engine oil. Price for the first 5 is= =20 > $5500 USD which is slightly discounted due to damage in transit of=20 > the alloy cushion drives. Mounting plate is an extra and sold by=20 > Randy kempf. Freight is $300 and max insurance I can get for another= =20 > $200 is $5000 AUD which is $3800 USD. Any interested let me or Randy= =20 > Kempf know as Randy is my distributor for the US market. His web=20 > site is Either Rotarpower . net or na73x.wixsite.com/rotarpower=20 > <http://na73x.wixsite.= com/rotarpower> This is breaking news, so > the web site has not yet caught up. Also looking at altering the=20 > mounting plate as in shifting the starter motor to the bottom middle= =20 > to remove it from exhaust heat. Any thoughts on this?? MY thanks to=20 > Tracy for his assistance who as we all know was years ahead of his=20 > time. Neil Unger. >=20 >=20 > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.= com/ Archive and UnSub:=20 > ht= tp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20
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