X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=L5hfeKb8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=5XyxPnPcVxl2z+jysL/WtQ==:117 a=QLnloj5chIMMrmxtVvJNng==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=A-0mRrAPPO4A:10 a=v2DPQv5-lfwA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=HLElNSDFAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=dhRMYCPRQDrZk4z48mYA:9 a=lB00hwi9Hbzil_5x:21 a=WC1UwVT60-e5_aO0:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=izEWSWqvyK8A:10 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=NTybjnMHmzLOwcLJc94Q:22 From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Received: from mail-yb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.213.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.2) with ESMTPS id 10869433 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:20:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.182; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-yb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id i13-v6so4205923ybl.9 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=5EI1GGzHlvT2KX9cssoP/BdaZVc3OE/jz15ZHDYkEsA=; b=K5Ax1Sg1p7sUxp9kLKhkSqmFElwg8xGx/tKKhNgnvRaiuOG5NX/6lL7VjQCbPaz6hd qWI3hwP4HIIImx+sumpZHRbdDITOfH+7crezDKyA3RO3Sa+XWTPfWHzoDLb2jCsw2mtu cFOp0Wk0KHPRCTBtOF5vaaCPhcZ0BCePbYrPL3mOeZeceEfdmYhnEzE2kDd26DHsL2dh smDVbMpcan7tKGFyxBj0iiFcRourrXvVTEnEc+B+sGioemgKxAauRZli5P5SYnVu5KBt axe2ZTlOBKD0ykftOdWvY2xkEKnHsgzuzEb+UMpadhSQ/U/Iuy6z3vdqkHGEsXdKJKKe kI0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=5EI1GGzHlvT2KX9cssoP/BdaZVc3OE/jz15ZHDYkEsA=; b=BTnGSkwbNtJL2XoXcnxdllED2pUySumSgF+ENJ4ce5ycZ7Vk8aqJhM8cbbn0u968TN sLgWFnNOzvkVVvZE+9gE5IuVT/L14MnEaLM6T6Z4B36OAN6HB6DItszEVFK90QTrvAHv Oqw38P0OI/IrrycC/Tpnutx42ULT+zkUnFM4pib65SaMR/PPlkWlbLZcP1bjOXHa13p9 6olmGBxe/hC8947ChwBcuaZPSD8sY+H9VmnLYVdsCy0+vHBTejSdFi8JelXxoY0Wd9ir AMXiZsY9TZJZfU5wNoiKrZyPjERubaYwluICb2o2H+hLTtEY8JhpM6MVrJcnQPR1F/EX 6CrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HM/gi1e6FL0PgLg4r0nsWcpAFkGAqY/DNEiFuHXDVXFIDC3VMq tN7X34S3nirt7pKfCQtqw6ZiGA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuBKAaJC/dX8PnM3l7W0tvwm4PxxFmJyYZTQ12ggpw/Pr3aix8G+BU9H7/z3xC/4YY/3slJjA== X-Received: by 2002:a25:3cd:: with SMTP id 196-v6mr17490684ybd.491.1521818392582; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.10.217] ([166.137.96.89]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l27sm3567530ywa.36.2018.03.23.08.19.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Tank vent lines To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:19:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180323-2, 03/23/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 3/23/2018 9:41 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: > This looks very tempting. > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=1062 > > But can anyone explain the physics of it? > > RV vent lines run from the upper tip of the tanks (next to filler > hole) and then normally into cockpit, up cockpit wall, loops down to > floor and into 90 degree fitting down through floor and pointing forward. > > (http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=1062&page=4) > > There is a mention of RV-10 vent lines, that gives the idea they just > come out of the tanks and down and out, but no pictures. > > Finn > > (Still figuring on where to put vent, transfer and return fittings in > right tank) The good thing about the 'stock' design is that it absolutely will work. :-) The -10 is non-acro; you can get away with less care in venting. The 'physics' is just that the fuel has to run around the coil a few times to get out instead of up to the top longeron. The idea is that if some is trapped in a loop due to expansion, it'll get sucked back in as you burn off fuel.  The coiled version is commonly called the 'Rocket mod'; apparently it's the go-to design for Rocket builders. I intend to do that with my aux tank vents, but the vent port is on the outboard (high) end of the tank. As someone in that thread pointed out, when you do it with the port on the root end of the tank, you can't get the coil above the actual vent 'pickup' point in the tank. If I elected to do the mod on a -4's main tanks, I'd move the vent penetration to the outboard end of the tank & make my coil there. However, you then have the issue of managing the vent's exit to the air, since getting the tank on/off with the vent penetrating the leading edge skin outboard of the tank. Perhaps you could use a bulkhead fitting in the bottom tank skin at the outboard end, with a coiled section of tubing (inside the tank) up to the same area as the stock vent line. Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus