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Simple is an absolute no compro= mise allowed necessity. Although my dad is an electrical engineer who never= set foot in college (completely self taught with a lot of natural aptitude= ) those genes seem to have missed me completely. I have better than average= mechanical ability but my mind turns to mush whenever electricity gets inv= olved. The ignition, avionics, wiring, etc will all require a lot of someon= e else's help. Thanks, Will Aldridge Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Date: 1/23/18 9:15 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? \ We might be straying off the path of 'simple', but an option functionally s= imilar to Ross' ignition only setup might be: https://www.autosportlabs.com/product/megajolte/ Like Ross' box, it would also require a different trigger wheel. But the co= ntroller price is well under $200. update: I finally found Lynn Hanover's dual pickup drawing for use with two MSDs or= two Chrysler ignition modules. Same issue with risk of killing one rotor, = but pretty cheap: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Message/38794.html?altLang= uage=3D Hope that helps, Charlie On 1/23/2018 4:55 PM, William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com wrote: Will, Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines in his catalog, but he isn't aga= inst them. He has a injection that still lists rotary engines. To run his i= gnition only you would likely need to get an aluminum e-shaft pulley to ins= tall his magnets. He has his own Hall effect sensors. He used to sell both = ignition units and full EMS systems. Don't know if he is still doing it ind= ividually. The advantage of his system is that he does do aircraft stuff. H= is business has in fact gravitated towards aircraft since so many cars now = come with their own systems unless it is a full custom build they often don= 't need an EMS. BTW I don't work for them or get anything for recommending = their products. I met Ross at Reno while crewing for a friend on a Sport Cl= ass entry. Ross was providing an EMS for a very fast Questair Venture runni= ng a turbo Lyc. Very good guy. A 4 cylinder unit with dual plug coils will = run the rotary just fine. The timing is the same, except that the coil isn'= t wasting a spark in the exhaust, instead it is firing both plugs on a sing= le rotor. Ross' site still lists his "coil pack ignition" for vehicles wit= h mechanical injection or carburetors. Bill On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com > wrote: Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was only a f= uel injection controller/ system, no ignition control. Out was here: http:= //www.sdsefi.com/prices.html If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn't supply ig= nition systems for the rotary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" > Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSEFI (Simple Digital Sy= stems, www.SDSEFI.com) has both an ignition only sys= tem and a full engine management system that will work for a 13B. His syste= m doesn't have split firing, but most people running a high performance rot= ary do both plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FO= R AIRCRAFT that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully= redundant. Bill Jepson On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net > wrote: Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want to= let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and ignition= coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s). I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is nice i= f just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and tune= carburetors.) Finn On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote: I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a simple bullet pro= of Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available? I have th= e 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he gives the option of= either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition sys= tem with stock or Chevy ls coils. To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried abou= t flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that would n= ormally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 hp I'll= still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a little powe= r for a lot of reliability and simplicity. I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much room= in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't like the idea of elect= ronic ignition. I've read enough stories of lengthy battles to get the comp= uters to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. Again s= implicity and reliability at the expense of power and fuel efficiency is wh= at I'm after. Also planning on using a carb for the same reason. I can alwa= ys upgrade the engine later if i want. I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last 10 y= ears. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if any of = the ideas he put forth have merit. Thanks, Will Aldridge Ps my build thread on hba here: http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/sh= owthread.php?t=3D16831 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anim= ated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com --_000_BY1PR16MB013369157D12BFF8B453AFE5DBE20BY1PR16MB0133namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Well cheap is good as long as its quality. Simple is an absolute= no compromise allowed necessity. Although my dad is an electrical engineer= who never set foot in college (completely self taught with a lot of natura= l aptitude) those genes seem to have missed me completely. I have better than average mechanical ability but my= mind turns to mush whenever electricity gets involved. The ignition, avion= ics, wiring, etc will all require a lot of someone else's help. 

Thanks,
Will Aldridge 



Sent from my Veriz= on, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net>
Date: 1/23/18 9:15 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems?





\

We might be straying off the path of 'simple', but an option functionally s= imilar to Ross' ignition only setup might be:
https://www.autosportlabs.com/product/megajolte/
Like Ross' box, it would also require a different trigger wheel. But the co= ntroller price is well under $200.
update:
I finally found Lynn Hanover's dual pickup drawing for use with two MSDs or= two Chrysler ignition modules. Same issue with risk of killing one rotor, = but pretty cheap:
http://mail.lancaironli= ne.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Message/38794.html?altLanguage=3D

Hope that helps,

Charlie



On 1/23/2018 4:55 PM, William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com wrote:
Will,
Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines in his catalog, but he isn'= t against them. He has a injection that still lists rotary engines. To run = his ignition only you would likely need to get an aluminum e-shaft pulley t= o install his magnets. He has his own Hall effect sensors. He used to sell both ignition units and full EMS = systems. Don't know if he is still doing it individually. The advantage of = his system is that he does do aircraft stuff. His business has in fact grav= itated towards aircraft since so many cars now come with their own systems unless it is a full custom build= they often don't need an EMS. BTW I don't work for them or get anything fo= r recommending their products. I met Ross at Reno while crewing for a frien= d on a Sport Class entry. Ross was providing an EMS for a very fast Questair Venture running a turbo Lyc. Ver= y good guy. A 4 cylinder unit with dual plug coils will run the rotary just= fine. The timing is the same, except that the coil isn't wasting a spark i= n the exhaust, instead it is firing both plugs on a single rotor.  Ross' site still lists his "coil = pack ignition" for vehicles with mechanical injection or carburetors.<= /div>
Bill

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, william Aldrid= ge willja67@hotmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was onl= y a fuel injection controller/ system,  no ignition control. Out was h= ere: h= ttp://www.sdsefi.com/prices.html

If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn't supp= ly ignition systems for the rotary. 



Sent from my Veriz= on, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems?

Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSEFI (= Simple Digital Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has= both an ignition only system and a full engine management system that will= work for a 13B. His system doesn't have split firing, but most people runn= ing a high performance rotary do both plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT = that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant.
Bill Jepson 
 

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
= Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want to= let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and ignition= coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s).

I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is nice i= f just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and tune= carburetors.)

Finn

On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote:
 I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a simple = bullet proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available?&= nbsp; I have the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he give= s the option of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition system with stock or Chevy ls coils.&n= bsp;

To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried= about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that wo= uld normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 hp= I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a little power for a lot of reliability and= simplicity. 

I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much= room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't like the idea of = electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of lengthy battles to get the= computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. Again simplicity and reliability a= t the expense of power and fuel efficiency is what I'm after. Also planning= on using a carb for the same reason. I can always upgrade the engine later= if i want. 

I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last= 10 years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if an= y of the ideas he put forth have merit. 

Thanks, 
Will Aldridge 




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