X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=K8pgJGeI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=7kfoBFAjUWcLgFtkcP4LYA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=ad1WmcueCrwA:10 a=RgaUWeydRksA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=bsATwsvZAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=kPR48rpoAAAA:8 a=YghcDSRqYtO-fknwR8gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=77x-yTWI9uoA:10 a=xPyZ54XvAAAA:8 a=MPBkWFFoXkVNglWIxLkA:9 a=cfHliRbfxR1yr8yC:21 a=HfdpfQiixUcA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=YgZUEpoybBZZp_vkc61X:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Y3nQ7mX9hcbL2wwZa1q_:22 a=LQCduUwlY3eUW_MavTj7:22 From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.1) with ESMTPS id 10616426 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:56:12 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.44; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id v71so5030559wmv.2 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:56:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pOF/1d1WvpfG7QjH6T877YdL/NRs5d2U3kvj2reiSUI=; b=foCgFp9rrQHg3Q+GpYnIDc95UrcnrgwXh8YBGqF6ex1PJgtoUGEyG6bbdhzP/iEWJk jCvopC2zbInj+ggusxGRLd6NvykIWLdtkPGe1z1uRk0P7VoTiswngYtRGQzN1rPzV8aY Ra58HXJpARbjXKwKp4tTj/cBL8bwcR+isw6eoDZX21DbJtYhgsM9zjyA5rx2aZ0Q/Fw0 3B2+QhTr1zZAN+54+izM8F0MG+RSnq4Eqp+dW3VRiiLf+LABcAmMANHVocizfTaIRJVG 7fsUujyfGmqCVgNjcJT297HfsywfiPf7Cy//8ViU+Lu/vpM8p9TV3DKtZVpZF5Dt4HDN sg+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=pOF/1d1WvpfG7QjH6T877YdL/NRs5d2U3kvj2reiSUI=; b=PwdZHJBJAK6RSfu8KPATs0vTaY+CgAhpF4z4HTbp6tZhLtjafBoG7bqPbKY+oNp48e 2HFCtsHXmhGK7RxQMn32TQomYm75LE0tCpLk7IRG14cRX/sLItVTQ2JWwRaB321TJt8v q80Shr1W7j06BSTOFY32jWql8E/1HIgRPKOyIVe2wCuE+O7z8O4k95Qsil3sMbRMehQ2 fhvJJk07WCXuLi5YjQ9Cb3jCDptFUOoOECst3e06lthFg3ulFojC7Qp/93aAyKaIAJqR P2b+24BlFlu0d4sXqgCtzX6Glu1eSMpAFx0i83MvFAoKhOmNZhIYlnzvOhafhGFYSS87 AbFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdZE3vpPKvtB1l+yYbwfhhC14+FIY2KL9auqY3o9p3lErwq9Wyr ocoGv8mwCK91lEzBhrXI/pLTWQ+13rSXGpXMCm7SeIDF X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2245dEGr3ahDFxD7i7D2wCVjquWwKhsc/2dEIk3FAFH80Cbj10VrEHqcFMs4sLext4y41ESNVuUmRdGOI/5eNmo= X-Received: by 10.28.72.11 with SMTP id v11mr2779818wma.135.1516748154570; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:55:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.107.93 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:55:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b303cf78dbc056379729d" --001a114b303cf78dbc056379729d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Will, Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines in his catalog, but he isn't against them. He has a injection that still lists rotary engines. To run his ignition only you would likely need to get an aluminum e-shaft pulley to install his magnets. He has his own Hall effect sensors. He used to sell both ignition units and full EMS systems. Don't know if he is still doing it individually. The advantage of his system is that he does do aircraft stuff. His business has in fact gravitated towards aircraft since so many cars now come with their own systems unless it is a full custom build they often don't need an EMS. BTW I don't work for them or get anything for recommending their products. I met Ross at Reno while crewing for a friend on a Sport Class entry. Ross was providing an EMS for a very fast Questair Venture running a turbo Lyc. Very good guy. A 4 cylinder unit with dual plug coils will run the rotary just fine. The timing is the same, except that the coil isn't wasting a spark in the exhaust, instead it is firing both plugs on a single rotor. Ross' site still lists his "coil pack ignition" for vehicles with mechanical injection or carburetors. Bill On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was only a > fuel injection controller/ system, no ignition control. Out was here: > http://www.sdsefi.com/prices.html > > If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn't supply > ignition systems for the rotary. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" > Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? > > Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSEFI (Simple Digital > Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has both an ignition only system and a full > engine management system that will work for a 13B. His system doesn't have > split firing, but most people running a high performance rotary do both > plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT > that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant. > Bill Jepson > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want >> to let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and >> ignition coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s). >> >> I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is nice >> if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and >> tune carburetors.) >> >> Finn >> >> On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a simple bullet >> proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available? I have >> the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he gives the option >> of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition >> system with stock or Chevy ls coils. >> >> To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried >> about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that >> would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 >> hp I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a >> little power for a lot of reliability and simplicity. >> >> I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much >> room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't like the idea of >> electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of lengthy battles to get the >> computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. >> Again simplicity and reliability at the expense of power and fuel >> efficiency is what I'm after. Also planning on using a carb for the same >> reason. I can always upgrade the engine later if i want. >> >> I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last 10 >> years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if any of >> the ideas he put forth have merit. >> >> Thanks, >> Will Aldridge >> >> Ps my build thread on hba here: http://www.homebuiltairp >> lanes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16831 >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> > --001a114b303cf78dbc056379729d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will,
Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines i= n his catalog, but he isn't against them. He has a injection that still= lists rotary engines. To run his ignition only you would likely need to ge= t an aluminum e-shaft pulley to install his magnets. He has his own Hall ef= fect sensors. He used to sell both ignition units and full EMS systems. Don= 't know if he is still doing it individually. The advantage of his syst= em is that he does do aircraft stuff. His business has in fact gravitated t= owards aircraft since so many cars now come with their own systems unless i= t is a full custom build they often don't need an EMS. BTW I don't = work for them or get anything for recommending their products. I met Ross a= t Reno while crewing for a friend on a Sport Class entry. Ross was providin= g an EMS for a very fast Questair Venture running a turbo Lyc. Very good gu= y. A 4 cylinder unit with dual plug coils will run the rotary just fine. Th= e timing is the same, except that the coil isn't wasting a spark in the= exhaust, instead it is firing both plugs on a single rotor.=C2=A0 Ross'= ; site still lists his "coil pack ignition" for vehicles with mec= hanical injection or carburetors.
Bill

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM= , william Aldridge willja67@hotmail= .com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was onl= y a fuel injection controller/ system,=C2=A0 no ignition control. Out was h= ere:=C2=A0h= ttp://www.sdsefi.com/prices.html

If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn= 9;t supply ignition systems for the rotary.=C2=A0



Sent from my Verizo= n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems?

Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSE= FI (Simple Digital Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has= both an ignition only system and a full engine management system that will= work for a 13B. His system doesn't have split firing, but most people = running a high performance rotary do both plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT that could be = run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant.
Bill Jepson=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
= Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want to= let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and ignition= coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s).

I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is ni= ce if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and = tune carburetors.)

Finn

On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote:
=C2=A0I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a sim= ple bullet proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently availab= le?=C2=A0 I have the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which= he gives the option of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition system with stock or Chevy ls coils.= =C2=A0

To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried= about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size tha= t would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 15= 0 hp I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a little power for a lot of reliability= and simplicity.=C2=A0

I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn= 9;t much room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't l= ike the idea of electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of length= y battles to get the computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. Again simplicity and reliabili= ty at the expense of power and fuel efficiency is what I'm after. Also = planning on using a carb for the same reason. I can always upgrade the engi= ne later if i want.=C2=A0

I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last= 10 years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know i= f any of the ideas he put forth have merit.=C2=A0

Thanks,=C2=A0
Will Aldridge=C2=A0




Sent from my Verizo= n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone




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