X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=K8pgJGeI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=OEVJYw/obVdrmk2EYfkxnA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=A-0mRrAPPO4A:10 a=RgaUWeydRksA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=bsATwsvZAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=kPR48rpoAAAA:8 a=McbJteEEsrzpSn7AjZEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xPyZ54XvAAAA:8 a=ScMpddBaFSyACz8a8aYA:9 a=S7nOdA-udtwEP7yN:21 a=HfdpfQiixUcA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=YgZUEpoybBZZp_vkc61X:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Y3nQ7mX9hcbL2wwZa1q_:22 a=LQCduUwlY3eUW_MavTj7:22 From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf0-f182.google.com ([209.85.192.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.1) with ESMTPS id 10615837 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:45:44 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.182; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c6so1248758pfi.8 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:45:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=EheuWxYRlUAlVOWmZoFYMn7P74D6rHVxQwpmtMVC3zE=; b=Clau7ICqhG8oxYW3PKZ46vGpAbRIeMK+JJENcRLty2V8bgjDdj6rtv6Y4y17cONiD5 /YZICgHkSX/DRHPVi/XuZTECBPI+H+W/6kCW3rpFVOISdp/+p4L6SuNSX77A8QDPzzx6 KsE6+IBbW7LIiLtJg3eyCtE+D0sCsbk2dkryEj0ylAPlXBqkZdq8hUmXawPKdRHAjNig AtMyQhChBuS/HHHvaFa4Ux5X62g+rmn6C6zIIr/sKyVLEiG5hUpbRnba2iWQTEATa3C4 rVoRWk6LHuI1jlvkSfMbblf19+nRz0sHVHdLIOijDn+I3rAUdc+dYjdx6xoG0nMqXvBK numQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=EheuWxYRlUAlVOWmZoFYMn7P74D6rHVxQwpmtMVC3zE=; b=dZoq5wJpMJqTrLXrnFToK4S2dK7POVfE8ZwqcfSq26mZpeRQP8jHSPKLP3IKKAhsVC dmAaXH3PVDLNYjM0LYbCDHurnB78aUZlKVpyh2VYxDed1YMpKOxT5+vH353PJsTa1VRn Dvjo1AKfrjWYHijnFpXMc2obeKKmH7e/aZUlUNKPKGGs8/CZttJu7be/tJp5pAcTSBIA KdtXmKs75in3GpjXU6xpl7rcWAw3kMM8zO58w2fD7f958hfAgmDAuaJW2iiOvEcgCvMF gqxAFhuycv7jBgTOUz+V2gl12BVV5Y1dZFUdccY+JzZJwy7Gwvw1m95NqSKubWcl7A/2 Ypng== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfScYBbs316P3YCheJLXv2RO1ijEVR0puvtmM5sKHM5MU/UtUG9 KfjpCw1xOkcnzAqJH/rzjeIdYiRw/O5+yG2Y8gI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225uCU/3DQvQoG/NZE8vInI3nfKETx6s+nhOX5BVmUrizx+CzQ/+LVsYWjpo6nraZ3/isKWZJQYqU3RwXk3yevU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:595d:: with SMTP id e29-v6mr6401068plj.436.1516740326368; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.179.149 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:45:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:45:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005eabce056377a039" --0000000000005eabce056377a039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" He must have had a change of heart. I've had several exchanges with him over the years, and he has had a fair level of disdain for rotaries in general, and told me his controllers wouldn't work with the rotary's timing wheels. Charlie On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:13 PM, William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSEFI (Simple Digital > Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has both an ignition only system and a full > engine management system that will work for a 13B. His system doesn't have > split firing, but most people running a high performance rotary do both > plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT > that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant. > Bill Jepson > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want >> to let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and >> ignition coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s). >> >> I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is nice >> if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and >> tune carburetors.) >> >> Finn >> >> On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a simple bullet >> proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available? I have >> the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he gives the option >> of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition >> system with stock or Chevy ls coils. >> >> To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried >> about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that >> would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 >> hp I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a >> little power for a lot of reliability and simplicity. >> >> I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much >> room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't like the idea of >> electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of lengthy battles to get the >> computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. >> Again simplicity and reliability at the expense of power and fuel >> efficiency is what I'm after. Also planning on using a carb for the same >> reason. I can always upgrade the engine later if i want. >> >> I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last 10 >> years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if any of >> the ideas he put forth have merit. >> >> Thanks, >> Will Aldridge >> >> Ps my build thread on hba here: http://www.homebuiltairp >> lanes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16831 >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> > --0000000000005eabce056377a039 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
He must have had a change of heart. I've had several e= xchanges with him over the years, and he has had a fair level of disdain fo= r rotaries in general, and told me his controllers wouldn't work with t= he rotary's timing wheels.

Charlie

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at= 1:13 PM, William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.c= om <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Guys, I don't know if he i= s still offering it but SDSEFI (Simple Digital Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has both an ignition o= nly system and a full engine management system that will work for a 13B. Hi= s system doesn't have split firing, but most people running a high perf= ormance rotary do both plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box= system, FOR AIRCRAFT that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire a= nd be fully redundant.
Bill Jepson=C2=A0
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On Tue, Jan 23, 201= 8 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline= .net> wrote:
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Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want to let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and ignition coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s).

I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is nice if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and tune carburetors.)

Finn

On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote:
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=C2=A0I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need= a simple bullet proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available?=C2=A0 I have the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he gives the option of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition system with stock or Chevy ls coils.=C2=A0

To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 hp I'll still be doing good. I= n other words I'm willing to sacrifice a little power for a lot o= f reliability and simplicity.=C2=A0

I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I al= so don't like the idea of electronic ignition. I've read enoug= h stories of lengthy battles to get the computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. Again simplicity and reliability at the expense of power and fuel efficiency is what I'm after. Also planning on using a carb for the same reason. I can always upgrade the engine later if i want.=C2=A0

I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last 10 years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if any of the ideas he put forth have merit.=C2= =A0

Thanks,=C2=A0
Will Aldridge=C2=A0




Sent from m= y Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone




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