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[166.173.248.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l21sm421135ywa.80.2018.01.22.10.24.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: For Joe Berki Fwd: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system References: To: flyrotary X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <4914154a-b9d8-9b95-dfb2-de5daa9d8a43@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:29:27 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D1408EE4A2E7425B3CF833A2" Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180122-2, 01/22/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D1408EE4A2E7425B3CF833A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joe, Here's a thread from 2016 where Lynn describes an MSD system. You can search the archives & probably find the diagram. Do be aware that if the engine starts and runs on one rotor (loss of one system in this design), there's a risk of pretty strong torque reversal issues. Charlie -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400 From: Lehanover Reply-To: Rotary motors in aircraft To: Rotary motors in aircraft It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I will send it along. It may be in the archives as well. Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Interesting, Do you have pictures of this system? I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3. On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" > wrote: One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy. Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor. One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together. The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is possible. Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Tracy I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s). Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this? Many thanks, Chad. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --------------D1408EE4A2E7425B3CF833A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Joe,

Here's a thread from 2016 where Lynn describes an MSD system. You can search the archives & probably find the diagram.

Do be aware that if the engine starts and runs on one rotor (loss of one system in this design), there's a risk of pretty strong torque reversal issues.

Charlie


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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400
From: Lehanover <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Reply-To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>


It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I will send it along. It may be in the archives as well.
Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails.
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Interesting,

Do you have pictures of this system?

I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy.
 
Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor.
 
One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together.
 
The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is possible.
 
Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". 
 
Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
Tracy

I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s).

Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this?

Many thanks,
Chad. 

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