X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9841755 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:03:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.252.207.40; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id NjwadGW1cAfZsNjyHdCqTL; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:03:17 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1498068197; bh=8cByyxSuS1qx0Y7Sa9DNuMQFNDZmDG6pjCBsaTmO5Gs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XaRkigixko3PrTeBlqWLKpt9ykJIJDzbIHABBN9bdzib35GSjgM0G06HRvFMAo/RL B1BmCoVFByyQzczxGaehFG80bIqSb7Y1QNgT7xXWE2KKV9uisI96bqhHuYL1oKb+h1 Fhy4gFi+fr4SoNbmchMVszi/8drhOEJ62lYHDzFFdQc7XHUaG2h/U9p2xZvz2uThzP FQBx1abGWmlg+VZk6MrgpntJ93vki2Vd26ETGug2/oFJ/zlgQbmCHq7LXN2iRuNeWy IZC4xJ1WVZo1a1uXTcSg7chOr2yhmpgT2Ij8YZQKLOUfyvu5rvDlay8rOrG1agPGWU BaU6/e5yRy+NQ== Received: from resmail-ch2-632v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.50.156]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id NjyGd2XOEIjyFNjyGd67uZ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:03:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" Message-ID: <1008574003.54534010.1498068196654.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54534009_154409997.1498068196646" X-Originating-IP: [2603:3015:1003:800:8c13:9396:7a39:feac] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.7_GA_6031 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Forever Projects Thread-Index: /rxuq5O/DpXmTuxtXCv11CE4tLxIwQ== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHMpiVXSoZlgRZ9OC2KK6tiVNdYtbP7zJD2GTeGg6W7NBPL4XI1M1wJXXXhPZLOhiZExaO8yku9a41YB5Gz8OmvTzrWVjgm8zalTgxafg2UawedARqyw EWPKbXSiJwknHtVpcCXFdrYbxtc+3WkFD74Ec9GD3Vc26EahT7ZKFb23XDnpc6UiqMYerUFwAHfmJKTJXpMim0JlTRBT59xkugU= ------=_Part_54534009_154409997.1498068196646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We do have the constant speed modual, have not worked with it yet, & yes th= e prop/motor/switches are set up for op. but had a intermittent eng. comput= er problem for a while had to sort out, got it pegged & by-passed but not r= epaired yet. Also stuck on grnd. for last 6 mths. shoulder surgery, getting= back up to speed now. Ready to install & try the=C2=A0 =C2=A0w i d e=C2=A0= =C2=A0b a n d=C2=A0=C2=A0 O2 sensor/gauge for fine tuning the EC2. David= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0& yes that sounds better 2.17:1.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bartrim" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:25:35 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects=20 Thanks Dave;=20 =C2=A0 You have the same redrive as you, which is 2.17:1. Actually mine was= a RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo, I changed the planet gear set to= a six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with the deep pitch IVO. Wh= en I bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hitting a wall around 1= 40 kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a variable pitch fan up fro= nt to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level flight was about 150 kts. = And that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must be better, but you ar= e the first to confirm that for me.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I'll nev= er say they are the best, but if you can get the performance you are lookin= g for out of them, then they are great value for the money.=20 =C2=A0 I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and that was not a= nywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm hoping that I'll = still have that with the new blades.=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you are still = using take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? Have you = bought their electronic constant-speed governor?=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=20 I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of folk= s like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't have muc= h interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-build, bui= lder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable income.. I'd= rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes.....=20 Todd=20 C-FSTB=20 13Bturbo=20 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe, and enthu= siastically act upon... must inevitably come to pass...=20 Todd Bartrim=20 On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1 < flyrotary@lancaironline.net = > wrote:=20 If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the mounting bolt area I th= ink you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more secure, better=C2=A0fit.=C2= =A0 David=20 From: "Todd Bartrim" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects=20 Hi Dave;=20 =C2=A0 I thought that you were using an IVO. I've got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"M= agnum=C2=A0 and I never saw numbers like that. I knew I should have cut it = down but I also knew that one day I would order new blades for it which I d= id about 5 weeks ago. So I'll be looking to sell the blades only and I figu= re they may be hard to sell without the hub but as they are still full leng= th they have a better chance of being bought by someone looking for replace= ment blades.=20 =C2=A0 I'm looking forward to flying behind the deep pitch version.=20 =C2=A0 What reduction ratio are you running?=20 Todd=20 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, < flyrotary@lancaironline.net > wro= te:=20
Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adjust.=C2=A0= David=20 From: "Todd Bartrim" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects=20 Hey David;=20 =C2=A0 What prop are using there?=20 Todd=20 Dreaming with my eyes wide open....=20 Todd Bartrim=20 On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >= wrote:=20
Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys are FAST.. = David=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport pattern makin= g oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff no gear f= airings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind.=20 From: "Todd Bartrim" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects=20 Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago when I original= ly began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday and eventually th= ere will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport.=20 =C2=A0 Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "journey of = a thousand miles" thing,=20 But what I believe is the key to this is that if you do something everyday = then the details of the project are always kept in the forefront of your mi= nd and when you have a hour or two to work on it you don't waste time tryin= g to think about where you left off or what you are going to do next.=20 =C2=A0 For almost 12 years after I last flew my plane I was overwhelmed wit= h other projects and responsibilities that I allowed to fill my brain to th= e point where when I would have a moment when I could consider working on t= he plane, I would find myself feeling overwhelmed and not knowing where to = even start. So I didn't. Until finally I did. In the intervening years I di= d keep a task list on my phone and continued to lurk on the list so when va= rious new ideas were brought up I would add them to the list for future con= sideration. The list grew to a very daunting size, to a point where it was = discouraging to realize that I had been flying this machine and somehow the= re had grown this almost insurmountable list of tasks to accomplish before = returning to the skies. When I finally got back into it, I started by just = saying no to all the other jobs and favours that were consuming my time and= space in the shop and then I spent an entire weekend not doing much more t= o the plane than familiarize myself with it and develop a mental state wher= e I could recall the details of the many interrelated items that make this = thing defy gravity. This is necessary but wasted time that could be avoided= simply by doing something everyday then the details stay easily accessible= in the forefront of my mind instead of buried in the dusty recesses of my = mind. And now that very long list has only a small number of items without = a checkmark beside them.=20 =C2=A0 When I started this project I was a relatively young man compared to= all the old timers that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an avi= ation medical was a simple formality. Now how the years have slipped by and= I find myself facing next week's medical with apprehension. Although a lit= tle sore in the mornings from many previous injuries Im still very active a= nd feel great, but I also realize that now that I've crossed that half cent= ury mark, there are a long list of hidden ailments that could be lurking un= known that would preclude the passing of a medical. And that would be truly= heartbreaking to have wasted all these years not flying this plane.=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Then all I could do is ramble on, offering unsolic= ited advice on forums... ;)=20 =C2=A0 Lyn, over the the years you have given us much great advice based on= your years of racing experience. Now let me give you some. Go out to your = shop and lower that plane to the ground and do something on it. Today. And = everyday.=20 All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty reces= ses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dre= amers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with o= pen eyes, to make them possible.=20 T. E. Lawrence=20 Todd=20 C-FSTB=20 RV9 13Bturbo=20 On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, < flyrotary@lancaironline.net > w= rote:=20
Lehanover=20 =09 Jun 16 (1 day ago)=20 =09=09 to=C2=A0 Rotary=20 The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in the car= the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with that micron rati= ng (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the paper or wire media = and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy a filter(s) that = have that numberof square inches of media=C2=A0and AN fitting capability.= =20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or a ra= ce car. Change the filters at annual.=20 Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I would n= ot use them.=C2=A0 This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the ceiling u= nfinished.=20 Lynn E. Hanover=20 Lynn,=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Unfinished L= and"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta JD2 with the hop= e of flying before death............At age 76 I still look forward to worki= ng on it...........Would rather die building than in the recliner..........= ....<:)=20 Best Regards,=20 Kelly Troyer=20
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We do have the constant speed modual, = have not worked with it yet, & yes the prop/motor/switches are set up f= or op. but had a intermittent eng. computer problem for a while had to sort= out, got it pegged & by-passed but not repaired yet. Also stuck on grn= d. for last 6 mths. shoulder surgery, getting back up to speed now. Ready t= o install & try the   w i d e   b a n d  = O2 sensor/gauge for fine tuning the EC2. David     &am= p; yes that sounds better 2.17:1.

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To= : "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:25:35 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary]= Re: Forever Projects

Thanks Dave;
  You have the same redrive as you, which is 2.17:1. Actually min= e was a RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo, I changed the planet gear s= et to a six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B. 
  Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with the deep pitch IV= O. When I bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hitting a wall aro= und 140 kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a variable pitch fan u= p front to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level flight was about 150 = kts. And that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must be better, but y= ou are the first to confirm that for me. 
   They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I'l= l never say they are the best, but if you can get the performance you are l= ooking for out of them, then they are great value for the money.
  I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and that was = not anywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm hoping that = I'll still have that with the new blades.
   You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you are s= till using take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? Have= you bought their electronic constant-speed governor?
  
I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of= folks like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't hav= e much interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-build= , builder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable income.= . I'd rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes.....

Todd
C-FSTB
13Bturbo

Whatever you vividly imagine, ar= dently desire, sincerely believe, and enthusiastically act upon... must ine= vitably come to pass...

Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1 <flyrotary@lancairon= line.net> wrote:
If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the mounting bolt area= I think you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more secure, better fi= t.  David

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircra= ft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Hi Dave;
  I thought that you were using an IVO. I've= got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"Magnum  and I never saw numbers like that. I = knew I should have cut it down but I also knew that one day I would order n= ew blades for it which I did about 5 weeks ago. So I'll be looking to sell = the blades only and I figure they may be hard to sell without the hub but a= s they are still full length they have a better chance of being bought by s= omeone looking for replacement blades.
  I'm looking forward to fly= ing behind the deep pitch version.
  What reduction ratio are you r= unning?

Todd


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adjust.&= nbsp; David


From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircra= ft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Hey David;
  What prop are using there?

Todd
Dreaming with my eyes wide open....

Todd Bartrim

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net> wrote:
Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys ar= e FAST.. David  RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport patt= ern making oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff = no gear fairings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind.

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago wh= en I originally began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday and = eventually there will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport.   Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "journey of= a thousand miles" thing,
But what I believe is the key to this is that = if you do something everyday then the details of the project are always kep= t in the forefront of your mind and when you have a hour or two to work on = it you don't waste time trying to think about where you left off or what yo= u are going to do next.
  For almost 12 years after I last flew my = plane I was overwhelmed with other projects and responsibilities that I all= owed to fill my brain to the point where when I would have a moment when I = could consider working on the plane, I would find myself feeling overwhelme= d and not knowing where to even start. So I didn't. Until finally I did. In= the intervening years I did keep a task list on my phone and continued to = lurk on the list so when various new ideas were brought up I would add them= to the list for future consideration. The list grew to a very daunting siz= e, to a point where it was discouraging to realize that I had been flying t= his machine and somehow there had grown this almost insurmountable list of = tasks to accomplish before returning to the skies. When I finally got back = into it, I started by just saying no to all the other jobs and favours that= were consuming my time and space in the shop and then I spent an entire we= ekend not doing much more to the plane than familiarize myself with it and = develop a mental state where I could recall the details of the many interre= lated items that make this thing defy gravity. This is necessary but wasted= time that could be avoided simply by doing something everyday then the det= ails stay easily accessible in the forefront of my mind instead of buried i= n the dusty recesses of my mind. And now that very long list has only a sma= ll number of items without a checkmark beside them.
  When I starte= d this project I was a relatively young man compared to all the old timers = that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an aviation medical was a = simple formality. Now how the years have slipped by and I find myself facin= g next week's medical with apprehension. Although a little sore in the morn= ings from many previous injuries Im still very active and feel great, but I= also realize that now that I've crossed that half century mark, there are = a long list of hidden ailments that could be lurking unknown that would pre= clude the passing of a medical. And that would be truly heartbreaking to ha= ve wasted all these years not flying this plane.
    = ; Then all I could do is ramble on, offering unsolicited advice on forums..= . ;)
  Lyn, over the the years you have given us much great advice = based on your years of racing experience. Now let me give you some. Go out = to your shop and lower that plane to the ground and do something on it. Tod= ay. And everyday.

All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in th= e dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity= : but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their = dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
T. E. Lawrence

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Bturbo

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Lehanover
Jun 16 (1 d= ay ago)
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The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in th= e car the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with that micron= rating (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the paper or wire m= edia and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy a filter(s) = that have that numberof square inches of media and AN fitting capabili= ty.
 
 There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or= a race car. Change the filters at annual.
Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I wo= uld not use them.  This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the ceil= ing unfinished.
Lynn E. Hanover

Lynn,

    Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Unfinis= hed Land"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta JD2 with th= e hope of flying before death............At age 76 I still look forward to = working on it...........Would rather die building than in the recliner.....= .........<:)

Best Regards,
Kelly Troyer


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