X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Ernest Christley" Received: from sonic321-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.66.88] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTP id 9797457 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 23:41:19 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.137.66.88; envelope-from=echristley@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1496547643; bh=gU2B6/5FM7qz5nXiq6JzTqtP0Llaf4xczm4cKm7cTkQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=2FMuBIkDtrzBYu6j36eghUzNKUL2X2y9PM2IJt8igl/57Bkvmmcfsh8oB8FPy0iDp3+kcGJzkQQcW3TAj2LFfv95Exj0zmIBwTRIYRuCTWN6ti+KccQP6JZvUkxjhAwucBiQGi2toqg9wmZBFavHDMJBORxD5nMK/42WhH04nSI= X-YMail-OSG: 8zmj6OgVM1mzBJST_f58D6.oFD1TYzlRb49rGnZpaO9ex6Wq9qJiQXavSO_FJWD SyPcN.IFMQo.Ilo_aSibSY8IrWMWCFQ.ee5tIjkPHDlHIDo0AgzlMYGCxlngUxi3wu_VUzDbfi8q gxsSwO2Woaq5eWKLZNiqzUsBRZ5IVwmRp42ZzNiK8CQCLzxNxWFfL1ZUc_f.ikd0uyiY_EYKbZcU dIaKV0zjd5.PMOaOCbvs3eb5QxZsyDvRUPRWks8i8J5gD644XXmPI6MHl1t0NAqSuXE5imYxQNTL 2HHVs_6eJSJwlnfPVh5nyqYczAjjGk5la5RoW1ytkGHmMB9B_i2yFuFK0DBNbot3ZrRkzwQHxqol W9l0.1FeHUbb0_.pH_L8DWVW9wNb.we6IsZgIxKLu3DcXHp8EnpEe0nArKvcX7Xf4mZqpGHTImmr GUQn76wcj8.SrXNyfa9L0tcXrAzBMFGzFA_SIxsgiVpTfsqRJypI8nX_YaEBGF.lUSMY1QDV6RdU z2huY2A0NU0nvXN3AUMaXWC4iGI7YWZbskHCkjPyTP58zHuvA6uidub11xprpG.V6vJTu Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic321.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 03:40:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 03:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <1636332542.1697528.1496547643133@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1697527_1041304267.1496547643130" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.9778 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 Content-Length: 16092 ------=_Part_1697527_1041304267.1496547643130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-)=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 Thank you,=C2=A0 Kelly!! =20 On Saturday, June 3, 2017 10:08 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =20 Ernest, Well at least you have been flying !! That is more than I can say..........= .As Richard said "Fly the Airplane"...........Good job my friend glad you a= re OK......... Kelly Troyer On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Todd Bartrim = wrote: Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! That really sucks, but at least you'= re determined (stubborn?) enough to get right back at it.=C2=A0 I've always= felt the fuel delivery system is the most challenging part to get right. D= ue to design issues it is sometimes hard to get it dead simple. In my case = it's because I've got to manage so darn many tanks, but in your case I woul= d assume for some reason the selector was located out of reach, requiring a= n extension rod?=C2=A0 I can also assume you've already thought that one ov= er and how to eliminate that in your rebuild.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm glad you stil= l report to the list as regardless of engine choice, you still share many o= f the same challenges as we do.Besides, once a RotorHead, always a RotorHea= d! ToddC-FSTB Todd Bartrim On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Ernest Christley wrote: I'm running a Corvair instead of a rotary, but I thought you guys would be = interested in how I seem to be chasing Ed's gliding time. Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. The= plane had been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went out= and did all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours.=C2=A0 The weather w= as beautiful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has.=C2=A0 I= was reluctantly headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry.=C2=A0 = I tried to switch, but the left tank wouldn't come online. I called an emer= gency on KTTA's frequency, since I had been circling their airspace the who= le time (just in case something happened). It was nice to get that support = from other pilots over the air, even if there was not one dang thing they c= ould do.=C2=A0 I was 12 miles out, with the airport clearly in sight.=C2=A0= I headed straight for it as I continued to play with the selector switch.= =C2=A0 My dual electric fuel pumps make a clackity racket when they're runn= ing dry, so I kept moving the handle back and forth hoping for the noise to= turn into that deep guttural sounds that lets me know fuel is flowing.=C2= =A0 I got nuthin', and TTA kept climbing up my windshield. I turned toward highway US421.=C2=A0 It was covered in cars, and it soon be= came apparent that it wasn't going to happen either.=C2=A0 I looked around,= picked a field, and set up a pattern to it.=C2=A0 Initially, it was a toba= cco field, but I had come in to hot.=C2=A0 I had been afraid of extending t= he pattern to far.=C2=A0 There was a gravel road running beside it, so I sw= ung over, but it took a sharp right about 100yds ahead.=C2=A0 I didn't thin= k I could make the turn, so I banked left into an open field. The clumps of= grass were about 8" high. The nose wheel caught, folded under, and I slid = along on the cowl. I've spent the past week pulling airplane parts out of the farmer's field, = and today I got about the business of determining what happened.=C2=A0 The = gascolator had a few pieces of trash in the bottom, but I'm not sure from w= here it came from.=C2=A0 I took the selector valve apart, and there didn't = seem to be anything going on with it.=C2=A0 It turned smoothly, if not some= what stiffly.=C2=A0 Then I played with the rod that connected the selector = handle to the valve.=C2=A0 It was made from a 9" length of threaded rod.=C2= =A0 An adaptor pinned it onto the valve's post.=C2=A0 Another adaptor conne= cted to the inside of the handle.=C2=A0 Without turning an allen wrench pus= hed through the pin hole, I could turn the selector handle 90 degrees.=C2= =A0 The rod just twisted like bubble gum. Apparently, with two months of si= tting, the valve had gotten sticky enough that the rod gave before it did.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 I was completely unharmed.=C2=A0 I've suffered more damage getting the plan= e out of the field than I did putting it there.=C2=A0 The nose gear, firewa= ll, forward belly and left side skin are trashed.=C2=A0 The rebuild starts = tomorrow with building a stand to hold the engine while I work the aluminiu= m. =20 =20 ------=_Part_1697527_1041304267.1496547643130 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Saturday, June 3, 2017 10:08 PM, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net> wrote:


Ernest,
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Well at least you have been flying !! That is more than I can say.= ..........As Richard said "Fly the Airplane"...........Good job my friend g= lad you are OK.........

Kelly Troyer

On Sat,= Jun 3, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Todd Bartrim <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! That really sucks, but at least= you're determined (stubborn?) enough to get right back at it.
  I= 've always felt the fuel delivery system is the most challenging part to ge= t right. Due to design issues it is sometimes hard to get it dead simple. I= n my case it's because I've got to manage so darn many tanks, but in your c= ase I would assume for some reason the selector was located out of reach, r= equiring an extension rod?
  I can also assume you've alread= y thought that one over and how to eliminate that in your rebuild.
   I'm glad you still report to the list as regardless of engin= e choice, you still share many of the same challenges as we do.
B= esides, once a RotorHead, always a RotorHead!

Todd=
C-FSTB

Todd Bartrim

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM,= Ernest Christley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I'm running a Corvair instead of a rotary, but I thought you guys would = be interested in how I seem to be chasing Ed's gliding time.

Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. The plane h= ad been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went out and did= all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours.  The weather was beaut= iful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has.  I was rel= uctantly=20 headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry.  I tried to switch= , but the left tank=20 wouldn't come online. I called an emergency on KTTA's frequency, since I h= ad been circling their airspace the whole time (just in case something happ= ened). It was nice to get that support from other pilots over the air, even= if there was not one dang thing they could do.  I was 12 miles out, w= ith the airport clearly in sight.  I headed straight for it as I conti= nued to play with the selector switch.  My dual electric fuel pumps ma= ke a clackity racket when they're running dry, so I kept moving the handle = back and forth hoping for the noise to turn into that deep guttural sounds = that lets me know fuel is flowing.  I got nuthin', and TTA kept climbi= ng up my windshield.

I turned toward highway US421.  It was covered in c= ars, and it soon became apparent that it wasn't going to happen either.&nbs= p; I looked around, picked a field, and set up a pattern to it.  Initi= ally, it was a tobacco field, but I had come in to hot.  I had been af= raid of extending the pattern to far.  There was a gravel road running= beside it, so I swung over, but it took a sharp right about 100yds ahead.&= nbsp; I didn't think I could make the turn, so I banked left into an open f= ield. The clumps=20 of grass were about 8" high. The nose wheel caught, folded under, and I slid along on the cowl.

I've spent the past week pulling airplane part= s out of the farmer's field, and today I got about the business of determin= ing what happened.  The gascolator had a few pieces of trash in the bo= ttom, but I'm not sure from where it came from.  I took the selector v= alve apart, and there didn't seem to be anything going on with it.  It= turned smoothly, if not somewhat stiffly.  Then I played with the rod= that connected the selector handle to the valve.  It was made from a = 9" length of threaded rod.  An adaptor pinned it onto the valve's post= .  Another adaptor connected to the inside of the handle.  Withou= t turning an allen wrench pushed through the pin hole, I could turn the sel= ector handle 90 degrees.  The rod just twisted like bubble gum. Appare= ntly, with two months of sitting, the valve had gotten sticky enough that t= he rod gave before it did.  

I was = completely unharmed.  I've suffered more damage getting the plane out = of the field than I did putting it there.  The nose gear, firewall, fo= rward belly and left side skin are trashed.  The rebuild starts tomorr= ow with building a stand to hold the engine while I work the aluminium.
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