X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com ([209.85.218.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9797393 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 22:08:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.45; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o65so103254676oif.1 for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 19:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RLN7P03lg1r74p1k32SNfLxue6WvAQZ8mTBFc3b8gO4=; b=Q+y1TGbIxYiozBiCsGPiVAf4pT1A2aRJ/0TkpdNv6dzCOv/p4BuM8mNwLT2UfqfAVL rSAagHpelX/LiWqcaLeap+7M2FrFbLRK+uuqCLyQ6puDfhhfZDK78FG+YmUbvEfyO/AE ZrKh7EWpiKTpGPznJtuDpahbsShGkI+QiRgpBAp0vUlbFfm8qvYfFfxNI8PLjwiiAvGT IziinHXWa0NGRxa8pHtaJx2SddchwT6gmKYmAw6R1a2xsW4m9Ph4evO8r5Pudy/DJoOB ILM/QM75i5toFeSxvgtdBgeuQR6FtRyLSsTBebqDbJ6JF09/9+fiVLvWM16MtlQt08a4 F/8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=RLN7P03lg1r74p1k32SNfLxue6WvAQZ8mTBFc3b8gO4=; b=egmul218VlY1LTEvErNjLYxIuIcrd7YhAGzoQXj8G4aHnRcCI30mCrlHYN3KTQTF67 sF83D3zp1rZUCMAUaCcIZGbsAN2DY7c2y0P+dpA50pbY5a9n7hr7U3f1vkl7UAIU3Xv8 eIuAIF8w4nWeD0iP5sxmmUQyYq/jekQoCXK00GrkbALWHUYtlCcPW9I/ccd1lcARlgO7 ObxHOsVJiZaAUijnqbfM0dOGP4WBU6Q7JkBDIwV7OPrbYERdpOb47IlYE4+W33LvgiLU Q/5em2UQiL1ehqGlkcPBBv6AZAJQiXnfpZI4/wSPw92t/O0oswbaAAsjsqpQQDMOlZgF EBBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAL19KLoOG3Rl//GpWxcFrHP60lcmkSC1pMYuBJ//RQNQTAZkQ+ tqY5Pvhs7/rLJVQkIHlmEnSAPh13kg== X-Received: by 10.157.61.180 with SMTP id l49mr8921532otc.80.1496542067713; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.6.231 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine out To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11492b2e566aca055118dac6" --001a11492b2e566aca055118dac6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ernest, Well at least you have been flying !! That is more than I can say...........As Richard said "Fly the Airplane"...........Good job my friend glad you are OK......... Kelly Troyer On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Todd Bartrim wrote: > Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! That really sucks, but at least > you're determined (stubborn?) enough to get right back at it. > I've always felt the fuel delivery system is the most challenging part > to get right. Due to design issues it is sometimes hard to get it dead > simple. In my case it's because I've got to manage so darn many tanks, but > in your case I would assume for some reason the selector was located out of > reach, requiring an extension rod? > I can also assume you've already thought that one over and how to > eliminate that in your rebuild. > I'm glad you still report to the list as regardless of engine choice, > you still share many of the same challenges as we do. > Besides, once a RotorHead, always a RotorHead! > > Todd > C-FSTB > > Todd Bartrim > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Ernest Christley < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> I'm running a Corvair instead of a rotary, but I thought you guys would >> be interested in how I seem to be chasing Ed's gliding time. >> >> Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. >> The plane had been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went >> out and did all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours. The weather was >> beautiful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has. I was >> reluctantly headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry. I tried to >> switch, but the left tank wouldn't come online. I called an emergency on >> KTTA's frequency, since I had been circling their airspace the whole time >> (just in case something happened). It was nice to get that support from >> other pilots over the air, even if there was not one dang thing they could >> do. I was 12 miles out, with the airport clearly in sight. I headed >> straight for it as I continued to play with the selector switch. My dual >> electric fuel pumps make a clackity racket when they're running dry, so I >> kept moving the handle back and forth hoping for the noise to turn into >> that deep guttural sounds that lets me know fuel is flowing. I got >> nuthin', and TTA kept climbing up my windshield. >> >> I turned toward highway US421. It was covered in cars, and it soon >> became apparent that it wasn't going to happen either. I looked around, >> picked a field, and set up a pattern to it. Initially, it was a tobacco >> field, but I had come in to hot. I had been afraid of extending the >> pattern to far. There was a gravel road running beside it, so I swung >> over, but it took a sharp right about 100yds ahead. I didn't think I could >> make the turn, so I banked left into an open field. The clumps of grass >> were about 8" high. The nose wheel caught, folded under, and I slid along >> on the cowl. >> >> I've spent the past week pulling airplane parts out of the farmer's >> field, and today I got about the business of determining what happened. >> The gascolator had a few pieces of trash in the bottom, but I'm not sure >> from where it came from. I took the selector valve apart, and there didn't >> seem to be anything going on with it. It turned smoothly, if not somewhat >> stiffly. Then I played with the rod that connected the selector handle to >> the valve. It was made from a 9" length of threaded rod. An adaptor >> pinned it onto the valve's post. Another adaptor connected to the inside >> of the handle. Without turning an allen wrench pushed through the pin >> hole, I could turn the selector handle 90 degrees. The rod just twisted >> like bubble gum. Apparently, with two months of sitting, the valve had >> gotten sticky enough that the rod gave before it did. >> >> I was completely unharmed. I've suffered more damage getting the plane >> out of the field than I did putting it there. The nose gear, firewall, >> forward belly and left side skin are trashed. The rebuild starts tomorrow >> with building a stand to hold the engine while I work the aluminium. >> > > --001a11492b2e566aca055118dac6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ernest,

Well at least you have be= en flying !! That is more than I can say...........As Richard said "Fl= y the Airplane"...........Good job my friend glad you are OK.........<= div>
Kelly Troyer

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Todd Bartrim <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! Th= at really sucks, but at least you're determined (stubborn?) enough to g= et right back at it.
=C2=A0 I've always felt the fuel delivery syst= em is the most challenging part to get right. Due to design issues it is so= metimes hard to get it dead simple. In my case it's because I've go= t to manage so darn many tanks, but in your case I would assume for some re= ason the selector was located out of reach, requiring an extension rod?
=C2=A0 I can also assume you've already thought that one over an= d how to eliminate that in your rebuild.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm gla= d you still report to the list as regardless of engine choice, you still sh= are many of the same challenges as we do.
Besides, once a RotorHe= ad, always a RotorHead!

Todd
C-FSTB

Todd Bartrim

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Ernest Chris= tley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I'm running a Corvair inste= ad of a rotary, but I thought you guys would be interested in how I seem to= be chasing Ed's gliding time.
Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. The pla= ne had been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went out and= did all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours.=C2=A0 The weather was b= eautiful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has.=C2=A0 I was= reluctantly=20 headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry.=C2=A0 I tried to switch= , but the left tank=20 wouldn't come online. I called an emergency on KTTA's frequency, s= ince I had been circling their airspace the whole time (just in case someth= ing happened). It was nice to get that support from other pilots over the a= ir, even if there was not one dang thing they could do.=C2=A0 I was 12 mile= s out, with the airport clearly in sight.=C2=A0 I headed straight for it as= I continued to play with the selector switch.=C2=A0 My dual electric fuel = pumps make a clackity racket when they're running dry, so I kept moving= the handle back and forth hoping for the noise to turn into that deep gutt= ural sounds that lets me know fuel is flowing.=C2=A0 I got nuthin', and= TTA kept climbing up my windshield.

I turned toward highway US421.=C2=A0 It was covered in cars, and it soon= became apparent that it wasn't going to happen either.=C2=A0 I looked = around, picked a field, and set up a pattern to it.=C2=A0 Initially, it was= a tobacco field, but I had come in to hot.=C2=A0 I had been afraid of exte= nding the pattern to far.=C2=A0 There was a gravel road running beside it, = so I swung over, but it took a sharp right about 100yds ahead.=C2=A0 I didn= 't think I could make the turn, so I banked left into an open field. The clumps=20 of grass were about 8" high. The nose wheel caught, folded under, and= I slid along on the cowl.

I've spent the past week pulling airplane parts out of the farmer= 9;s field, and today I got about the business of determining what happened.= =C2=A0 The gascolator had a few pieces of trash in the bottom, but I'm = not sure from where it came from.=C2=A0 I took the selector valve apart, an= d there didn't seem to be anything going on with it.=C2=A0 It turned sm= oothly, if not somewhat stiffly.=C2=A0 Then I played with the rod that conn= ected the selector handle to the valve.=C2=A0 It was made from a 9" le= ngth of threaded rod.=C2=A0 An adaptor pinned it onto the valve's post.= =C2=A0 Another adaptor connected to the inside of the handle.=C2=A0 Without= turning an allen wrench pushed through the pin hole, I could turn the sele= ctor handle 90 degrees.=C2=A0 The rod just twisted like bubble gum. Apparen= tly, with two months of sitting, the valve had gotten sticky enough that th= e rod gave before it did.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=
I was completely unharmed.=C2=A0 = I've suffered more damage getting the plane out of the field than I did= putting it there.=C2=A0 The nose gear, firewall, forward belly and left si= de skin are trashed.=C2=A0 The rebuild starts tomorrow with building a stan= d to hold the engine while I work the aluminium.





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