X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Todd Bartrim" Received: from mail-qk0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9797407 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 21:47:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.177; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-qk0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u188so25174080qkd.2 for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9aKPYPDO3DcyFGPIC0WGVL9OiLuGF19P89VAv+9NJto=; b=nIi06/3QBpyDsn2Cv8nth5MgwoxyxAWt3buApi6+jjH1GRMFHOisLkYi+L/82ENE/x bSELoMypyQDXaOTZvxnT1cunilCIIzzMeKET258xpYCbrPpE96RlZjD5WBc80jJN+sMj TBZiDp8qWVKRfCKkgy3Xd7nafHCE4riglhC4fkYe13NYuCH/P2/I1IIv1o5SD1owAtT2 fIhzsXqp8+SWIDajx3AgPlwTHh3U6tPF3HxWwoEpVCkEusJc/iQQOzwNPBsbuA2608mA 05spjEhng1ibd2DmxWQH5vJ+uz3m5Vu4wgUOvsOTrxxeXDnjeiunJiUgvapsAU4txSFZ er/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9aKPYPDO3DcyFGPIC0WGVL9OiLuGF19P89VAv+9NJto=; b=Ij8LbGFiyNLxL84yGVSwzBKE36KHqPF/zSyYI4QzWyj0SsCIXWELljobexdYX9IVRW d6AIOdQ1kYaTvCs0Ai7ulR21JhtNuMS84C2Zdf2mzKxLJxzp8kWp1Ofti5tdAjGCs1zy w95XwTZeSt6sFvEH/4VsDaqOXvWqUKTZOrDaoaBzgcwvWOtBFFIOK8OkLulXyfOr5aDV EfbVy+Q4dJ3XKM3l4liy+b9JZVDMnFmN32W6hHdZxrvglwqKQ9htIOC9slTbBfUIGmhJ Nm9l+zZm370KN8kYsNFv2cSmG+hWNB9NtM1PrKYB9n0tRWNAK42RJRzdFlTifGPJ8hgw 2ekw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDNC+n5P0+5pfHtgXfZoJ73dAeqfVk8H87ESvtYpBdC3WGEqAvS ekvXI2C6w6cMJmGrsrmFYAB3IM7jpg== X-Received: by 10.55.40.151 with SMTP id o23mr15430701qko.210.1496540841748; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.166.153 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:47:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Engine out To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1144186243af7905511891fb" --001a1144186243af7905511891fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! That really sucks, but at least you're determined (stubborn?) enough to get right back at it. I've always felt the fuel delivery system is the most challenging part to get right. Due to design issues it is sometimes hard to get it dead simple. In my case it's because I've got to manage so darn many tanks, but in your case I would assume for some reason the selector was located out of reach, requiring an extension rod? I can also assume you've already thought that one over and how to eliminate that in your rebuild. I'm glad you still report to the list as regardless of engine choice, you still share many of the same challenges as we do. Besides, once a RotorHead, always a RotorHead! Todd C-FSTB Todd Bartrim On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Ernest Christley < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > I'm running a Corvair instead of a rotary, but I thought you guys would be > interested in how I seem to be chasing Ed's gliding time. > > Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. > The plane had been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went > out and did all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours. The weather was > beautiful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has. I was > reluctantly headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry. I tried to > switch, but the left tank wouldn't come online. I called an emergency on > KTTA's frequency, since I had been circling their airspace the whole time > (just in case something happened). It was nice to get that support from > other pilots over the air, even if there was not one dang thing they could > do. I was 12 miles out, with the airport clearly in sight. I headed > straight for it as I continued to play with the selector switch. My dual > electric fuel pumps make a clackity racket when they're running dry, so I > kept moving the handle back and forth hoping for the noise to turn into > that deep guttural sounds that lets me know fuel is flowing. I got > nuthin', and TTA kept climbing up my windshield. > > I turned toward highway US421. It was covered in cars, and it soon became > apparent that it wasn't going to happen either. I looked around, picked a > field, and set up a pattern to it. Initially, it was a tobacco field, but > I had come in to hot. I had been afraid of extending the pattern to far. > There was a gravel road running beside it, so I swung over, but it took a > sharp right about 100yds ahead. I didn't think I could make the turn, so I > banked left into an open field. The clumps of grass were about 8" high. > The nose wheel caught, folded under, and I slid along on the cowl. > > I've spent the past week pulling airplane parts out of the farmer's field, > and today I got about the business of determining what happened. The > gascolator had a few pieces of trash in the bottom, but I'm not sure from > where it came from. I took the selector valve apart, and there didn't seem > to be anything going on with it. It turned smoothly, if not somewhat > stiffly. Then I played with the rod that connected the selector handle to > the valve. It was made from a 9" length of threaded rod. An adaptor > pinned it onto the valve's post. Another adaptor connected to the inside > of the handle. Without turning an allen wrench pushed through the pin > hole, I could turn the selector handle 90 degrees. The rod just twisted > like bubble gum. Apparently, with two months of sitting, the valve had > gotten sticky enough that the rod gave before it did. > > I was completely unharmed. I've suffered more damage getting the plane > out of the field than I did putting it there. The nose gear, firewall, > forward belly and left side skin are trashed. The rebuild starts tomorrow > with building a stand to hold the engine while I work the aluminium. > --001a1144186243af7905511891fb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geezz Ernest, I'm glad you're alright! That really= sucks, but at least you're determined (stubborn?) enough to get right = back at it.
=C2=A0 I've always felt the fuel delivery system is the= most challenging part to get right. Due to design issues it is sometimes h= ard to get it dead simple. In my case it's because I've got to mana= ge so darn many tanks, but in your case I would assume for some reason the = selector was located out of reach, requiring an extension rod?
= =C2=A0 I can also assume you've already thought that one over and how t= o eliminate that in your rebuild.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm glad you s= till report to the list as regardless of engine choice, you still share man= y of the same challenges as we do.
Besides, once a RotorHead, alw= ays a RotorHead!

Todd
C-FSTB
=

Todd Bartrim

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Ernest Chris= tley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I'm running a Corvair instead of a rotary, but I = thought you guys would be interested in how I seem to be chasing Ed's g= liding time.

Monday, I started the day with 3 hours of fuel, plus an hour's reserve. The pla= ne had been down for 2 months while I did some upgrades, and I went out and= did all sorts of interesting flying for 1.7 hours.=C2=A0 The weather was b= eautiful, and the plane was performing better than it ever has.=C2=A0 I was= reluctantly=20 headed in for the day, when the right tank ran dry.=C2=A0 I tried to switch= , but the left tank=20 wouldn't come online. I called an emergency on KTTA's frequency, s= ince I had been circling their airspace the whole time (just in case someth= ing happened). It was nice to get that support from other pilots over the a= ir, even if there was not one dang thing they could do.=C2=A0 I was 12 mile= s out, with the airport clearly in sight.=C2=A0 I headed straight for it as= I continued to play with the selector switch.=C2=A0 My dual electric fuel = pumps make a clackity racket when they're running dry, so I kept moving= the handle back and forth hoping for the noise to turn into that deep gutt= ural sounds that lets me know fuel is flowing.=C2=A0 I got nuthin', and= TTA kept climbing up my windshield.

= <= span id=3D"m_-5526090347324407911yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496106183976_106487">I turn= ed toward highway US421.=C2=A0 It was covered in cars, and it soon became a= pparent that it wasn't going to happen either.=C2=A0 I looked around, p= icked a field, and set up a pattern to it.=C2=A0 Initially, it was a tobacc= o field, but I had come in to hot.=C2=A0 I had been afraid of extending the= pattern to far.=C2=A0 There was a gravel road running beside it, so I swun= g over, but it took a sharp right about 100yds ahead.=C2=A0 I didn't th= ink I could make the turn, so I banked left into an open field. The clumps= =20 of grass were about 8" high. The nose wheel caught, folded under, and= I slid along on the cowl.

I've spent the past week pulling airp= lane parts out of the farmer's field, and today I got about the busines= s of determining what happened.=C2=A0 The gascolator had a few pieces of tr= ash in the bottom, but I'm not sure from where it came from.=C2=A0 I to= ok the selector valve apart, and there didn't seem to be anything going= on with it.=C2=A0 It turned smoothly, if not somewhat stiffly.=C2=A0 Then = I played with the rod that connected the selector handle to the valve.=C2= =A0 It was made from a 9" length of threaded rod.=C2=A0 An adaptor pin= ned it onto the valve's post.=C2=A0 Another adaptor connected to the in= side of the handle.=C2=A0 Without turning an allen wrench pushed through th= e pin hole, I could turn the selector handle 90 degrees.=C2=A0 The rod just= twisted like bubble gum. Apparently, with two months of sitting, the valve= had gotten sticky enough that the rod gave before it did.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I was completely unharmed.=C2=A0 I've su= ffered more damage getting the plane out of the field than I did putting it= there.=C2=A0 The nose gear, firewall, forward belly and left side skin are= trashed.=C2=A0 The rebuild starts tomorrow with building a stand to hold t= he engine while I work the aluminium.

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