X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Tracy Crook" Received: from mail-yw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.161.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c1) with ESMTPS id 9702889 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:54:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.181; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by mail-yw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l18so50573378ywh.3 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:mime-version:to:from:subject:date:importance:in-reply-to :references; bh=DdLo3osYqWdCQmMMI6nnNFSJPNO+uJaJc3j49VdpHTM=; b=jASwmOpfoQV8gbkNkWCS2LVTJhiG5rVgj3KM8D6FJ0mL0J5TQud9eukcVdoNFk+O7l 1y8Vsx0u2AlLyngBhue3HDiNZXtLzgoy1wUTLG6JXAOGS4OgbYDamK4pTZxQUHHicvV5 evtAvoEt5AmpTMLNVxok+rOI4+oLXv/EV86NaZSSYObZIqxPe9IwvJjd8O9rYWlNOQQq e+0PzXpsxm4T/5lYOyIIenBORfBT4+RGvXU/Q68hW1SFkaIuWYmlqV2xKeywasvv7GaC xzTh1UZBKYapZTEUUCmDkXN+warcsccgofjUDeBdBopkxJBSIqH3CsemydoNcs5lnp5q 7igA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:mime-version:to:from:subject:date :importance:in-reply-to:references; bh=DdLo3osYqWdCQmMMI6nnNFSJPNO+uJaJc3j49VdpHTM=; b=QGiIkZDW4xKuThnmxuHdjm8AlVeYLAh8tRnZP9aEnGGgyvJm5KHlkoxt7tr2VZaIKS uqutnzpSC9USdA5rof2DVaTYMvi2sziPml2VHGZBtEhFXx8iCRUMlYD9oyZVm6zUkMqO tTcaQ7xs0m9pQgPos8XygDMTE3snF/B6MvWdy/d0K/egqw5n/y0ztzFIFZWebkMi9dMu iciYQwjsDlA/TtSUVGl3ibaj/EAyFbUpNfVdWPPz4iPjtwlraqA/vdTYMOPmY11QC6sI 4KWtU86sRPc7wxkPn3a0+eK1Cu/Vgh0qxFaRm/2hYs/3KOywTzTstrr/N2CFqndTihbK Vn2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/4wJt9s2w5IeiDvwX98cZ1liHF/676y1lJB/dr8ZmiOUd9FZujY Dbdm8rb6jMMsHZl+N27yNw== X-Received: by 10.129.145.14 with SMTP id i14mr12656489ywg.32.1493211241391; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:::ffff:192.168.254.5? (h196.50.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net. [75.117.50.196]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q30sm58997ywa.31.2017.04.26.05.53.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59009867.1e43810a.f0d56.03bc@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: RX-8 ignition coil failure Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:53:58 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_E84465D4-AB31-4FF1-ACCA-C1D8FC91E291_" --_E84465D4-AB31-4FF1-ACCA-C1D8FC91E291_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2FB8173B-2CD9-445E-A7EA-20AC4003B796_" --_2FB8173B-2CD9-445E-A7EA-20AC4003B796_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think I failed a total of 5 Renesis coils on the Renesis engine and the 2= 0B. They were circa 2005 coils. Don=E2=80=99t know if they ever improved = so I don=E2=80=99t recommend them. The LS-x coils D 585 coils seem pretty = good but don=E2=80=99t go for the cheaper aftermarket ones. I failed a cou= ple of those too. Mounting the coils in a cooler location helps. I put mi= ne in a box and ran cool air through it. Make sure ambient air around coil= s does not exceed 130 F for best reliability. If the current limiting resistor in the Lead Coil of 2nd gen 13Bs is replac= ed with a higher wattage resistor, the 2nd gen coils are probably the most = reliable of any I=E2=80=99ve used. If I can get my development system going again I can reprogram EC2/3s for a= ny of the available coil options. It quit working with Windows 10 (dammit!= ) Tracy Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dennis Havarlah Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:28 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RX-8 ignition coil failure Had an ignition coil fail in flight. Hardly noticed it - just could feel a = little roughness of the engine. The coil was an original RX-8 coil with 735= flight hours. Replaced it with one from Auto Zone -=C2=A0$29. I have shopp= ed Amazon and the OEM Mazda coil reviews indicate Mazda coils fail often an= d early! I have found several "racing" or "improved" quality coil deals on = the web and wonder if anyone has tried any of the "Better" coils?=C2=A0 I b= elieve Tracy=C2=A0=C2=A0recommended the =C2=A0AC Delco coils but my EC- 2 w= as built to drive the Mazda RX-8 coil system.=C2=A0 Anyone have an EC-2 set= up for AC Delco coils they want to sell? =C2=A0 Dennis Haverlah =C2=A0 PS:=C2=A0 I have a 3/8 clear vinyl tube attached to the OEM oil filler vent= pipe and never see any oil blown out.=C2=A0 I normally do not exceed 6200 = rpm during normal flight. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Boiteau=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 7:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: eccentric (crank) case ventalation I just put a breather on the oil fill tube. Big enough volume tube and I do= ubt oil will travel that far up to the breather. - Matt Boiteau On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Todd Bartrim = wrote: It's crossed my mind, but while I have a little more time to work on the pl= ane these days, I don't have that much time! You'd be forgiven for thinking= that I'm in the same time zone as our brothers down under, as I'm usually = burning the midnight oil when I'm making postings to the list at the end of= my day.=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0One of these years I'll make a tour down there and try to time= it with your fly-in. Todd Bartrim On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Charlie England wrote: Oooo, me like! I've *wondered* about doing that, but never bothered to ask = if anyone's tried it. Works great for cars, so.... How about setting a rotary record & flying down to MS for the roundup next = month? I know you have the tankage for it. :-) Charlie On 4/20/2017 12:14 PM, Todd Bartrim wrote: I just tubed it over to the air filter box, but I've always been curious as= to what others are doing with this as well, but just never bothered to ask= . Todd Bartrim On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:54 AM, ARGOLDMAN wr= ote: I am finally finishing my renesis rebuild, with so much help from this list= -- thanks =C2=A0 My question is with regard to the ventilation of the case. it seems that th= e rotary has a nipple off of the filler tube for this purpose... (I don't t= hink that I have that tube currently and will probably make one) =C2=A0 Using this port, is it a good idea to just plumb it out of the back of the = airplane as with a crank case vent? Is the amount of oil/vapor created significant enough to collect it and rec= ycle it? =C2=A0 What ch'all doing? =C2=A0 Thanks again, =C2=A0 Rich =0DVirus-free. www.avast.com =0D -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyro= tary/List.html --_2FB8173B-2CD9-445E-A7EA-20AC4003B796_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

I think I failed a total of 5 Renesi= s coils on the Renesis engine and the 20B.=C2=A0 They were circa 2005 coils= .=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t know if they ever improved so I don=E2=80=99t recomme= nd them.=C2=A0 The LS-x coils D 585 coils seem pretty good but don=E2=80=99= t go for the cheaper aftermarket ones.=C2=A0 I failed a couple of those too= .=C2=A0 Mounting the coils in a cooler location helps.=C2=A0 I put mine in = a box and ran cool air through it.=C2=A0 Make sure ambient air around coils= does not exceed 130 F for best reliability.

&= nbsp;

If the current limiting resistor in the= Lead Coil of 2nd gen 13Bs is replaced with a higher wattage res= istor, the 2nd gen coils are probably the most reliable of any I= =E2=80=99ve used.

 

If I can get my development system going again I can reprogram EC2= /3s for any of the available coil options.=C2=A0 It quit working with Windo= ws 10 (dammit!)

 

Tracy

 

Sent from = Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Denn= is Havarlah
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:28 PM
To: <= /b>Rotary motors in aircraft=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RX-8 ignition coil failure

 

Had an ignition coil f= ail in flight. Hardly noticed it - just could feel a little roughness of th= e engine. The coil was an original RX-8 coil with 735 flight hours. Replace= d it with one from Auto Zone - $29. I have shopped Amazon and the OEM = Mazda coil reviews indicate Mazda coils fail often and early! I have found = several "racing" or "improved" quality coil deals on th= e web and wonder if anyone has tried any of the "Better" coils?&n= bsp; I believe Tracy  recommended the  AC Delco coils but my= EC- 2 was built to drive the Mazda RX-8 coil system.  Anyone have an = EC-2 set up for AC Delco coils they want to sell?

 

Dennis Haverlah=

 

PS:  I have a 3/8 clear vinyl tube attached to the OE= M oil filler vent pipe and never see any oil blown out.  I normally do= not exceed 6200 rpm during normal flight.

----- Original Message -----

<= /div>

Sen= t: Friday, April 21, 2017 7:24 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: eccentric (crank) case ventalation=

 

=

I just put a breather = on the oil fill tube. Big enough volume tube and I doubt oil will travel th= at far up to the breather.


- Matt Boiteau

 

On Thu, Apr 20,= 2017 at 5:47 PM, Todd Bartrim <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

It's crossed my mind, but while I have a little more time to work= on the plane these days, I don't have that much time! You'd be forgiven fo= r thinking that I'm in the same time zone as our brothers down under, as I'= m usually burning the midnight oil when I'm making postings to the list at = the end of my day.

   On= e of these years I'll make a tour down there and try to time it with your f= ly-in.


=

Todd Bartrim<= /p>

 

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Charlie England <flyrotary@lancair= online.net> wrote:

Oooo, me like! I've *wonder= ed* about doing that, but never bothered to ask if anyone's tried it. Works= great for cars, so....

How about setting a rotary record & flyi= ng down to MS for the roundup next month? I know you have the tankage for i= t. :-)

Charlie

On 4/20/2017 12:14 PM, Todd Bartrim wrote:

I just tubed it over to the air filter box, but = I've always been curious as to what others are doing with this as well, but= just never bothered to ask.

=

Todd Bar= trim

 =

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:54 AM, ARGOLDMAN &l= t;flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I am = finally finishing my renesis rebuild, with so much help from this list-- th= anks<= /p>

 

My question is with regard to the ventilation of the case. it= seems that the rotary has a nipple off of the filler tube for this purpose= ... (I don't think that I have that tube currently and will probably make o= ne)

 

Using this port, is it a good idea to just plumb it out of th= e back of the airplane as with a crank case vent?

Is the amount of oil/vapor created significant enough to c= ollect it and recycle it?

 

What ch'all doing?

 =

Thanks again,<= /span>

 

Rich=

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