X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-pg0-f44.google.com ([74.125.83.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c1) with ESMTPS id 9637246 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:44:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.83.44; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-pg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id x125so131217820pgb.0 for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:44:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1FgNDC1CUPyzBCupqXZEEKpmpq3OQ/eNLFTBsj1Req4=; b=U5swKf6umkPG/Md6TiMyfuf83ip7XdajOeS3U4WokZ85H+hOaRaqCokl2Fxfabcy7A cXqs/22tOxfhZgZABF3XU3NIcS2p2ldT4aCscImIZiOpw4gkiAe60BG5mtvQ6ovHe4KZ umcSQsILG3kypjpMFYK2fjZis3NlhQUdGraIRj+jp51vdYABF6zhMhB4Pno7jdpheqOj h2PFUKvB5VDlmcO8pmcqR2ME+ah5peh8GxLZ7ViWgE+P4upHef7+rGiTPxv96ovoQb2l gna39Calh90Gf1pyGAGqJ1KrS/c9nFBgewyRFLQGEzpXzSuxgH3BxMpar01rEf5ndSGK fSJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=1FgNDC1CUPyzBCupqXZEEKpmpq3OQ/eNLFTBsj1Req4=; b=Z7oajVH+TzWoivbRXjA1y2KrRdYVbQQKXCXPwcn+t9piGZXvCh0IvaNvlcJOm/JuCc a2xImsqFKIJQKLQ6ze9wq9KlcmOsd1BCMVptRkyhwMiV1uUqftSZEzDHApOKlJ4OWyfn YPwPry/daMwojbP/fTDcXnzcpmvF3bwx1NGiIN1sVK/Cyfa8LUmWFW+/N5ECFlseix4P bb0pXZ2TfJB1ei6wIhUPXE7G7m4SPSGTX7FDrXLwZmyky6AutLZjDtfIN4r4dY0tWHk+ trar4H+YOyM9dqhhxRCPZWDmz0nqDMHhvicEuGnEI3OaQ1XGQw5SegTdacUUL2TvVgLm +/pg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2YhxdDYMw+07mvAjuMWtToqMcZqnuy9wy5Mfofaad+1i+d9nIJi08jtV9CGAoQSPy/9uBc67DPqK3dJQ== X-Received: by 10.99.238.5 with SMTP id e5mr20092796pgi.49.1491252264740; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:44:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.156.9 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: : Batteryless Fuel Injection?? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=94eb2c0acd9082e227054c4939c9 --94eb2c0acd9082e227054c4939c9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0acd9082e223054c4939c8 --94eb2c0acd9082e223054c4939c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's been known to work with traditional a/c engines. There are stories a/c using flow through the primer ports to keep the engine running. On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Ernest Christley < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Implemented, but not tested. Testing needs some way to keep the engine > running while opening the needle valve. I could have slowly added in > "emergency fuel" and my Megasquirt setup would have slowly cut the > injectors to meet the mixture targets; but, I ran out of time. > > > > > > > > On Monday, April 3, 2017 2:14 PM, Jeff Whaley > wrote: > > > That=E2=80=99s a pretty good idea Ernest =E2=80=A6 > Did you actually get this working on your 13B before it got sold? > Jeff > > From: > Ernest Christley > Subject: > Re: [FlyRotary] Re: : Batteryless Fuel Injection?? > Date: > Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:40:41 +0000 (UTC) > To: > Rotary motors in aircraft > [image: Message Header] > > > [image: Undecoded Message] > > > On Monday, April 3, 2017 10:45 AM, Jeff Whaley < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > > Personally, with a high-wing aircraft, I=E2=80=99d like to see a purely > mechanical fuel injection system fed with gravity fuel > flow =E2=80=93 d= o away > with the redundant (electric) fuel pumps, 4 (electric) injectors. > > Then plumb a line down to your throttle body with an accessible manually > controlled needle valve. You'd probably never be able to start the engin= e > on that, but if the electrical system goes south, it would keep fuel > flowing and let the battery run longer. > > BTW, except for the few diesels flying, all airplane engines are > electrical dependent. Magnetos just happen to have their own generator > buried inside. > > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any > unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our > internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net: > 81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > --94eb2c0acd9082e223054c4939c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's been known to work with traditional a/c engines. = There are stories a/c using flow through the primer ports to keep the engin= e running.

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Implemented, but = not tested.=C2=A0 Testing needs some way to keep the engine running while o= pening the needle valve.=C2=A0 I could have slowly added in "emergency= fuel" and my Megasquirt setup would have slowly cut the injectors to = meet the mixture targets; =C2=A0but, I ran out of time.
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