Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #63220
From: Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] oil cooling
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:23:33 +0000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Andrew,


When the RX7 oil cooler thermostat warms up, it moves a spring loaded disk against the bypass port outlet which tries to force all the oil to flow through the core.  If the pressure differential across the core exceeds about 50 psi, the spring loaded disk lifts and allows oil to bypass the core.  The oil thermostat not closing properly and oil bypassing due to pressure relief would be identical in terms of how the oil passes through the system.  I don't know if a Cosmo oil cooler has the same function.


Using the temperature of the oil returning to the engine from the oil cooler as the criteria for oil cooling effectiveness, this oil temperature will be higher when hot oil bypassing in the cooler is mixed with the cooler oil that has passed through the core.  If the oil pressure difference across the core is less than 50 psi, all of the oil returning to the engine will have passed through the core and its temperature will be lower even though the amount of heat removed from the oil system could be the same in both cases.


With the Fluidyne oil cooler the pressure drop through it didn't exceed 15 psi under any condition that I tested (up to 6500 RPM).  The pressure drop through the RX7 cooler was about 80 psi  when the front cover relief valve (1986 13B ) opened at 150 psi.  Oil passing through the cooler at this point was flowing both through the core and the thermostat relief passage.  I cannot find any reference to a relief valve in the front cover of a 2004-2008 Renesis.  If this is the case, then the oil pressure at the inlet to an RX7 cooler must be far in excess of 150 psi under high RPM operation (over 2500 RPM).


Of course this discussion of oil flow is only part of the oil cooling story.  Air flow through the core and the core construction are major factors, too. 


Steve Boese  


From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of Andrew Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:51:22 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] oil cooling
 

Steve, searched the archives, always seems a tricky process for me for some reason. filter of OIL and search Steven W. Boese worked.  I had missed that discussion on oil coolers. certainly could explain my oil overheating problem. Thanks for documenting your findings.
I have a 2004 Renesis in the plane and used the oil heat exchanger from an 70000km Cosmo that I pulled a factory 20b from.
You said worst case for cooling was when oil was not at pump (front cover) relief pressure and was bypassing in the cooler, I didn't realise the mazda cooler had pressure relief or do you think the oil thermostat was not closing properly?
So, off to get a new oil heat exchanger.

Andrew




On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Andrew,


A Fluidyne DB-30618 is the oil cooler I ended up with in the plane.


When a pressure gauge was installed in the line between the front cover outlet and the RX7 oil cooler inlet, the pressure rose with increasing RPM to 150 psi at 2800 RPM.  Increasing RPM above 2800 resulted in a steady pressure at 150 psi.  Since the oil pump is a positive displacement pump, additional oil flow above 2800 RPM passes through the relief valve into the sump.  At 5600 RPM half of the oil pumped by the oil pump never flows through the oil cooler.


With the Fluidyne oil cooler, the pressure at its inlet never reaches 150 psi so all of the oil passes through it.


An archive search for 25 Feb 2014 should find a description of various oil cooler configurations that I tested.


Steve Boese



From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of Andrew Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:40:08 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel system peer review
 

This thread has perfect timing and great info for me.

I was thinking of ditching my setup and simplifying it, but it looks like every system is a compromise.
I just mounted a belly radiator which entailed moving the pumps & sump tank. As other local pilots had commented on how complex my fuel system was I thought it opportune to address it now. After following this thread though I'm inclined to stick with this setup now as I know it works. and just not let anyone else on the controls.
Only problem I have is I cannot tell the fuel level in the sump tank. Need some sort of warning that I've drained a tank dry or have a vent or feed problem. Am thinking of putting a sight glass in the return line from sump to fuel selectors for a visual clue.
I like this setup as it allows me to feed from any or all tanks. not needed but usually leave 1 transfer pump on. if both transfer pumps happened to fail the fuel return path gives a free flow path from tanks to sump also.
I have managed to empty the sump tank once when flow testing the system but there was no back pressure on the system so regulator was not circulating fuel. I guessed the tank vent lines (1/4") are just to small when fuel flowing at 180l/hr and it vapourized in the sump.

Steve. I'm interested to know the model No. of your fluidyne oil cooler. I started with these mods because I couldn't control my oil temps, so new belly radiator installed to give oil cooler all the cowl air, but I never thought that the mazda cooler may be blocking oil flow. Whats the clue that the front relief valve is opening?

Andrew


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