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Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: RD1-c
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Thank you guys for the insight.

Regards,
Luis Luciano
Velocity XL-5 "Dulcinea"
Mazda Inside

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:09 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: RD1-c

Thanks for the info Bobby.  If I=E2=80=99m thinking of the same gear =
drive, on #4, readers should be aware that the =C2=BC inch bolts =
mentioned are the bolts mounting the ring gear bulkhead to the drive =
housing, not the =C2=BC=E2=80=9D bolts mounting the drive to the adapter =
plate.  I agree that the violent missing of the engine during debug was =
the cause of that failure.  No other drives have had that problem.

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From: Bobby J. Hughes <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:56 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: RD1-c

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Mark's RD-1C had several modifications.=20

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1. Rivets were replaced with tight tolerance -3 bolts after observing

smoking rivets.  - Tracy made a design change for a different rivet to

address the potential problem.

2. Sheer pin was replace with a larger size after breaking on the

ground. - Tracy did the modification.=20

3. Oil seal retainer was fabricated and installed after a blowout. Mark

was not using Tracy's original plate. He and another builder machined a

new plate to allow the starter to be relocated and pick up an additional

mounting hole available on the 20B. He suspects the machining tolerance

were too tight and the seal would have benefited from a tolerance more

toward the middle of the oil seal OEM specified range. He was also using

a single oil return line so an additional line for the front gearbox oil

drain was added back to the pan.=20

4. Routine inspection found all but one of the 1/4" bolts had sheared.

After discussion with Tracy the housing was tapped for 5/16" bolts and

additional holes were drilled and tapped between the original bolts.

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Now the rest of the story.=20

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Mark experimented with adapting the Renesis CAS to the 20B. We got it to

work but the engine and gearbox went through several very rough tuning

sessions. Several CAS mounting brackets for "stiffness" and eventually a

resister/ Zener diode circuit solved the hard stumble at 5200-5600 rpm .

This was repeated again when Mark made the P-Port engine swap. He  gave

up on the renesis CAS and reverted back to the stock CAS. However this

didn't correct the issue. He eventually identified missing fuel injector

diodes that are required for the EC2/ 20B combination. They were omitted

when he rewired the P-Port engine.=20

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Mark believed unusual stress (torque reversals) was placed on the

gearbox during the many extended tuning and troubleshooting sessions. He

believed this was the root cause of items 2 and 4. FWIW I'm running and

unmodified RD-1C and my inspections have not uncovered any of these

items. I do have some shaft wear at the 1mm thrust washer. I put 72

hours on the plane last year and will do another gearbox inspection in

about 30 hours. I have considered modifying for 5/16" bolts and upsizing

the sheer pin when I swap my super charger for a turbo.=20

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Bobby Hughes

About 400 hours on the engine and gearbox including ground runs.=20

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-----Original Message-----

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:54 PM

To: Rotary motors in aircraft

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: RD1-c

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Team,

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I picked up on this email chain as it may affect me directly.  I

recently purchased Mark Steitle's 20B and have been mating it to my

airframe over the last few weeks.  If I recall correctly, Mark had a

modification to the RD-1C prop flange for larger diam bolts but do not

recall any mods to the flex plate / isolators.  If anyone knows

otherwise please share.

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Thank you!

=20

Luis Luciano

Velocity XL-5 "Dulcinea"

Mazda Inside

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-----Original Message-----

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:33 PM

To: Rotary motors in aircraft

Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [FlyRotary] Re: RD1-c

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have been pouring from the beginning

<http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/02>=20

Rich

In a message dated 3/22/2017 12:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

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        On 3/22/2017 12:01 PM, ARGOLDMAN wrote:

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                Greetings all. I need a little advice, if you would be

so kind.

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                I have a RD1-C, with the flex-plate rubber isolators,

which I am currently marrying to the un-modified Renesis that I have

just rebuilt.

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                Reading Paul's list, he was talking about replacing the

1/4" bolts (flat head screws) that hold the ring gear to the casing,

with 5/16" bolts because he found them sheared in a unit that he

disassembled (unknown was the power plant modifications that drove the

reducer.)

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                What, if any are the recommendations to do this

alteration?

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                Thanks in advance

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                Rich

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        Well first, continue to read Paul's list, but keep a large

container of salt handy, with the aperture set to 'pour'.

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        Others may have better recall than I, but I'm pretty sure the

drive in question was Mark Steitle's, running on a P ported 20B (3

rotor).

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        Charlie

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