Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #63114
From: Ernest Christley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary DFI/EFI & Ign Options
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:58:45 +0000 (UTC)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Disconnected the control wire while it was running.  Kept running.

I turned an adapter to hold  them concentric, drilled and tapped some holes, then bolted the 36-1 wheel to the flywheel.  I caste a couple of mounts for the CAS from aluminum to hold them so that the limp-home mode gave 25 degrees of advance.

The EDIS coils are double ended.  They are set up to fire two plugs at once.  You can ground one side, so that the single plug gets a double shot.  The power meant for two plugs goes through one.  Still not as much ignition power as some of the CD systems, but it's free  :-)


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:44 PM, Charlie England <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Earnest, did you test the EDIS fallback mode by actually 'failing' the Megasquirt? Was this on a Renesis, or a 13B with a 36-1 trigger wheel? I've been told that the EDIS requires a 36-1 wheel, which would rule it out as a stand-alone solution for the Renesis (different wheel).

Charlie

On 2/15/2017 4:13 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
That make sense. Sounds like a very simple solution. I don’t think I would be willing to give up external fuel map trim. I like the ability to fine tune F/A in different phases of flight. I’m sure this method would work with the MS3 unit and “fuel table blending”
 
Bobby
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:57 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary DFI/EFI & Ign Options
 
Bobby,
Adding a CAS controlled EDIS-4 would just be an ignition backup.
 
The configuration I worked out was:
-for ignition, the MegaSquirt controlled two EDIS-4.  If either EDIS-4 failed, I had backup.  If the MS failed, the EDIS-4 would continue to run on their own in limp-home mode.
-for fuel, the MegaSquirt controlled the normal set of 4 injectors.  O2 sensor feedback helped to set the tuning, but mixture was controlled by manifold pressure and RPM in normal operation.  A separate, needle-valve controlled, gravity fed line was run to the throttle body to supply fuel in the event that the MS or injectors failed.
 
 
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:44 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
 
Ernest,
 
Would this configuration be a single controller for fuel and coils?
 
Bobby
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary DFI/EFI & Ign Options
 
Wired up a Fueltech ECU or the Megasquirt?
 
I have, in fact, had a well running aircraft rotary engine with a MegaSquirt, and may again in the not to distant future.
 
Bobby, for a secondary CAS, wire up a Ford EDIS-4 ignition controller to the trailing plugs.  You don't even have to provide it with a control input.  It's limp-home mode is 10 degrees of advance. Set the CAS to have 15 degrees, and your set.
 
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:24 PM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
 
Gents,  There is no doubt as I continually say that tracy's gear and
indeed tracy was 20 years ahead of his time.  Being computer illiterate
I rely on others to present something like an ECU in a ready to go
format.  For that reason I have invested in the Fueltech ECU, but yet to
wire in.  IS there any on this forum that has already done this? Neil.


On 2/16/2017 8:14 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
> I did a little MegaSquirt 3 research after Tracy's post. Charlie's been telling me for years he though the Megasquirt would be a good solution. It looks very usable for our application. The current firmware and feature set supports 4 rotor, 3 rotor, older 2 rotor and Renesis engines. For the Renesis using the stock trigger wheel, a secondary CAS for a second ECU can be positioned up to 20 degrees offset from the stock location. This is a current firmware limitation. Using a rotary compatible MegaSquirt wheel, each CAS position is fully programmable. They don't support an overall "Fuel Map Trim" feature using an external potentiometer. However they have a "Fuel Table Blending" feature that should accomplish the same thing. The MS3 supports two independent Fuel Tables and you can use an external potentiometer to adjust a bending of the tables. A balance would need to be achieved  allowing either controller to provide full rich fuel as well as lean cruise. My range would be 12.5:1 to 15.8:1. May be doable.
>
> Bobby
> (love my EC3 but would like a second CAS)
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary DFI/EFI & Ign Options
>
> Bill, Tracy and others,
>
> I should have added that I spoke with Ross about using his system on the rotary just last week so, I suspect his comment was accurate...unless he was juiced up on his morning coffee as I like to be!  I also suspect Tracy is making a very good point with the MegaSquirt system.  Challenging maybe, difficult sure, yet in no way impossible.  I worked in combustion at GM for over a decade and am an instrumentation specialist from my graduate school days in physical science so I have a few points of confidence to draw from.  Open source software has become a huge advantage to the RC users so, I suspect the same will be true with MegaSquirt despite that aviation is likely to represent a small segment for their audience.
>
> Rick
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