X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from nm25-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.118] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9447274 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:36:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.217.118; envelope-from=drhyed@yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1486676153; bh=NbQ54SxkEzG62MOzMaLTaOnZWTZBgLNgdK3hbaI6vqY=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:To:From:Subject; b=ZeATP9FcDT6M2aDenfv+AdKG3WPmf2njSbiaBkZZBQgLS/QF5JtH4r5JmmYx1D7qsA49WFHHO4iOVG33xdAH7W/G5cTbnMUbu+6+Q9oFY6+vWVLrPVCDPPDyAhJUWWkZ1y/kUOvuyqq4HjfpV70au4KCneHEl54o0sWC4RAcd9A3PJsFVU1O5o67xHJH7V5Ac9UszRoIaUmNDHiQPhy9YNGdNcu+tOtOCoJv4bfdYFWGQRbrwF28wFn7sViplx8besWMkl7y1Mc4minAqtTI1FXlvSjdTjbWE13ukFZ6Ju0xHMIvI2Lp+2xC9tFKfKOi8kmOTLRdBlTVsc2jjV85og== Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm25.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:35:53 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:35:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:35:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 544341.69831.bm@smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7aQZBZgVM1nUyJ8yLhPWPFjNC_Tr2zC0ZZtYmEWGbIw5fdO V4SJG2kxUaTDJDXe5C8Xs5hoS2ks9aSxJeCWld3xR0tiWuyPSACX2F1DzY34 ORaToCf9KTWaRXIl0__BykrII.X_MwSVpmBK0jpjX92sV4.AgKhBHXRuyINk D5Mfj4KFOtWXLUQwYToojPGgxEMg9u0HYk2AyPE6N2hOfK574yCVGAtj3L19 XY6USGjE7nT1Xg1khznpYl7pvBNAW4cYlXC4jItCfmEfk_ILLkYg.KZt6p7_ 3wZCDKuCWupQFpfql.aDYO4NwuIg8FSbAQByG5O1kE7hwSl36OebBB6TaNoM KGgOOZ3Dsxpo88r8lxAJW1ms_JiW5q6Mova7U0SlTcZdyHAOR11M35ARvQv2 fakTU_xXIbP04MqYs0T8qO8XXERbYyBuvyeyJTKM4yjhBiP4lEnnjll97cDx lTOs.pUVhEm61CitgoJwPmEj8uzuKGL_3VgWrWQVGpVLGMiWtHwarrcEKSs2 2xQL7WpGLMtQLp.nGkoYFwRi6wOYehDM0pz3uPE_gVg0TRbgPihcELVI- X-Yahoo-SMTP: rS_WfmaswBA7HSSs52oYHzO3lw-- Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7E785B45-78FE-4C00-85EC-1E5F12814E72 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Mistral Update Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:35:52 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) --Apple-Mail-7E785B45-78FE-4C00-85EC-1E5F12814E72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I enquired last year the price of a Mistral G200 runs about $50,000 and= another $12,000 if you want the MT constant speed prop. That is a "read to r= un" cost minus the engine mount ( dual ecu, starter, alternators, fuel pumps= ect) There was a guy on one of the forums who took a tour a few months ago a= nd did a nice write up about the latest developments (of course I can't find= the link at the moment) and how they are using almost no factory Mazda part= s, it's all been redesigned and improved in house. If I didn't have a budget= I'd love one, and I doubt they will just sell me a PSRU. Jay > On Feb 9, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Troyer wro= te: >=20 > Perhaps of interest to some of the group.........I made a recent inqui= ry to Paul Janssens of Belgium (Mistral G-300 3 Rotor Engine in a Glasair II= I) which was detailed > in three issues of "Kitplanes" magazine in the past two years how his inst= allation was doing and as to the current status of "Mistral".........Below i= s his reply.........FWIW >=20 > Kelly Troyer >=20 >=20 > Kelly, >=20 > Mistral has grown again and is backed by a powerful investor group. > they are very hard at work obtaining EASA certification for their engines a= nd will achieve this within a few years. there is massive interest in 200, 3= 00 Hp engines, but also in other HP ranges, and Mistral know they will be ve= ry busy for quite some years yet. > as a Customer, i can only vouch that my engine is working very satisfactor= ily indeed. Mistral back-up has been slow for everyone because of the huge a= mount of work, but i must say i`ve always been able to get the right answers= from them when i needed. > exhaust.....yes...well, i have been putting it off for as long as i could,= hoping Mistral would jump on the problem with the first batch of customers.= after all, we`re all in the same boat. > but priorities are priorities, and mistral has been forced to set the exha= ust question aside for a while.=20 > i have recently started to intensively reserach the problem, and here`s my= conclusions so far : > - most exhaust manufacturers use a build and test method. this is less exp= ensive and you get an exhaust that does the job. > - in the case of a rotary engine, this can only lead to a good result by c= hance. build and test gets very expensive if you have to make your test part= s in high heat resistant metals. > an accoustic, flow and thermodynamic similation in a specialised model is e= xpensive, but seems to be the best way to limit the range of test models in o= rder to achieve optimum results. the investment in getting an exhaust which i= s as good as it can get is required, as it will lead to satisfied customers a= nd hopefully impressive noise certificates. > better get the exhaust thing squared off once and for all by doing it as p= erfect as we can get. > so we are looking into various options, and i hear Mistral is close to mak= ing time for the problem. they are very aware that there is urgency and will= come to our help soon. > i have no idea about time frame, but there is no real reason this should t= ake an abnormal amount of time once we get our backs Under it, its just a qu= estion of starting off on the right track before we start running. > kind regards, >=20 >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7E785B45-78FE-4C00-85EC-1E5F12814E72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I enquired last year t= he price of a Mistral G200 runs about $50,000 and another $12,000 if you wan= t the MT constant speed prop. That is a "read to run" cost minus the engine m= ount ( dual ecu, starter, alternators, fuel pumps ect) There was a guy on on= e of the forums who took a tour a few months ago and did a nice write up abo= ut the latest developments (of course I can't find the link at the moment) a= nd how they are using almost no factory Mazda parts, it's all been redesigne= d and improved in house. If I didn't have a budget I'd love one, and I doubt= they will just sell me a PSRU.

Jay

O= n Feb 9, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

    Perhaps of interest= to some of the group.........I made a recent inquiry to Paul Janssens of Be= lgium (Mistral G-300 3 Rotor Engine in a Glasair III) which was detailedin three issues of "Kitplanes" magazine in the past two years how his insta= llation was doing and as to the current status of "Mistral".........Below is= his reply.........FWIW

Kelly Troyer


Kelly,
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Mistral has grown again and is backed by a powerful investor group.
they are very hard at work obtaining EASA certi= fication for their engines and will achieve this within a few years. there i= s massive interest in 200, 300 Hp engines, but also in other HP ranges, and M= istral know they will be very busy for quite some years yet.
as a Customer, i can only vouch that my engine is working= very satisfactorily indeed. Mistral back-up has been slow for everyone beca= use of the huge amount of work, but i must say i`ve always been able to get t= he right answers from them when i needed.
exhaust.....yes...well, i have been putting it off f= or as long as i could, hoping Mistral would jump on the problem with the fir= st batch of customers. after all, we`re all in the same boat.
but priorities are priorities, a= nd mistral has been forced to set the exhaust question aside for a while.&nb= sp;
i have recently started to intensively= reserach the problem, and here`s my conclusions so far :
=
- most exhaust manufacturers use a build and test method. th= is is less expensive and you get an exhaust that does the job.
- in the case of a rotary engine, this can only lead to= a good result by chance. build and test gets very expensive if you have to m= ake your test parts in high heat resistant metals.
<= div id=3D"gmail-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486663664966_43945" style=3D"font-size:13= .3333px">an accoustic, flow and thermodynamic similation in a specialis= ed model is expensive, but seems to be the best way to limit the range of te= st models in order to achieve optimum results. the investment in getting an e= xhaust which is as good as it can get is required, as it will lead to satisf= ied customers and hopefully impressive noise certificates.
better get the exhaust thing squared off once and for all b= y doing it as perfect as we can get.
so we= are looking into various options, and i hear Mistral is close to making tim= e for the problem. they are very aware that there is urgency and will come t= o our help soon.
i have no idea about time= frame, but there is no real reason this should take an abnormal amount of t= ime once we get our backs Under it, its just a question of starting off on t= he right track before we start running.
ki= nd regards,


=
Paul



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