X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Jepson" Received: from mail-vk0-f51.google.com ([209.85.213.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9447181 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:05:26 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.51; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-vk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id r136so12060439vke.1 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:05:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ko06kuEjaAvgRNtIDx+8vsnCQ/gXRmuuwj7d4jAgSK0=; b=uQu1mO9xPq7eOEiHeii9+kxC1H3sDImFb+ZznFwkyPILKlxcqtfKB22gVnElUAU4BB lI2VaLfRY0Da1MxqKL2OQDl2wBEyF36TOgqc+6kPDSZY7AGbuiszx7ob5o8/KAiYX71y So/HDPTwILhgHqnRJ88taUl4xJaWjzcRlimvhy30fS7RLYFkh9mmN7DF/Z3ekY5FewVt Y+yPqdYqMd1mviDm8+THm48i0V8hPRQGWDQ6zcMvKgZcsMwjwBobl1Pg+MOSqq5g+WgF Lwv0139trppMjWQIIXhxvhDZRw8s5khfRfAQmJ1gH3vJkWrzdtws4DQUy5lDuZp1uNYA lqeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ko06kuEjaAvgRNtIDx+8vsnCQ/gXRmuuwj7d4jAgSK0=; b=n6k3UJIgrLuNcDfPUhDT+uEB6z6AY/MtQj7MYTNFSrAx9zTM5L/+dDgmqIedSwK0bm KYbNjd5BhVGZ5GiBd7sLWc8mFZ45xdEaO89Kv3VmHtmwmlC5irSoSQiKFoFR0T01EGUl juAKDaz5Aoc7zkAARwb+3dDI5K7IBvqo16AZ8UG97cMUAQWXlyEVFDVWUjXC6a9/nUcd B6l7PNL83VphePZMzuE1l6V7Ci6z2U2aYPXruesznxLtquPBX4ifkECuQp9KcZjwJBqe GZ3fr+CYG1Xs83b6aMhbJRVxze8zDrGMfPEmY6WHANA6nyqrpLQJzlM41JIqmLB0+bGr wf/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39lHhItStnopql/JXwoibRpKPUGVL9YB0QYUlZQ6n5Veo6RSS1bH+z7P9/HdyPqZWs1/Ss2UgiWa1lN5hg== X-Received: by 10.31.102.134 with SMTP id a128mr2514743vkc.165.1486674307951; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:05:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.56.18 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 13:05:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 13:05:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c09464605b6b505481f566c --94eb2c09464605b6b505481f566c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tracy, I will revisit the Megasquirt system for sure. Do you know who's injectors they are suggesting now? Do they have any way to provision for leaning? Wide range O2? Ross at SDS looked like my only low cost option these days. Bill On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 12:07 PM, rwstracy wrote: > Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what the alt-engine builde= r > faces. Which is why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative. I= t > used to be a thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play.= The open > source group has polished the code for many engines (I saw the rotary > mentioned) and there are several sources for completely packaged > controllers. It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowda= ys. > > > > I have only used it for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it > up and it worked. > > > > As always, YMMV > > Tracy > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *William Jepson > *Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM > > *To: *Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI > > > > Tracy, > > I have always thought that your efforts were excellent, They got projects > in the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is > that things like the megasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while > workable, are not projects that the typical builder is capable of taking > on. That is not a comment that is intended to be critical either. Lots of > the folks doing successful kit building are good mechanics but not > electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for that matter. If anything is > wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component electronically they ar= e > not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call this, "building your own > light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes I could do it. But > should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an alternate engine= . > So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST build, and tryin= g > to make good selections for others that are proven and reliable. Heck eve= n > products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS have had Paul > pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will be perfectly > happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and simple > electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. After > that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last long > enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of finishing the= ir > kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas lightens the > load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings. > > Bill Jepson > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy > wrote: > > I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the > M4. When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the > Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was n= ot > at a point where I felt it was good enough. In the 20+ years since then, > MUCH progress has been made and it has developed into a much more > sophisticated system. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in bot= h > software and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts content. > > > > I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Mega= squirts on new > projects (hotrods mostly). They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for > them are way more developed than even the latest version of the EC3 too. > > > > Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ig= nition is > a good one. I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting today. > > > > Tracy > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bobby J. Hughes > *Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM > *To: *Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI > > > > Bill, > > > > I for one appreciate you (*and Neil=E2=80=99s*) continuing effort to deve= lop a > reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this critical piec= e > of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy= as well. > Each controller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a > set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B controlle= r > would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a > selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bu= gging him > for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location = of > the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual > M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and poss= ibly is injector > relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used ones on eBay f= or > less than $1000. =E2=80=93 Ouch! > > > > Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU development. > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI > > > > Richard, > > Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I really like > Ross' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a system > dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston system= . > If he has stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the > Halltech units I have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a go= od > system but over priced compared to the SDS. > > Bill > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Bill, > > Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary. He recommended the > Haltech or, others for that purpose. > > > Rick > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > > > > > --94eb2c09464605b6b505481f566c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Tracy,
I will revisit the Megasquirt system for= sure. Do you know who's injectors they are suggesting now? Do they hav= e any way to provision for leaning? Wide range O2? Ross at SDS looked like = my only low cost option these days.

Bill

On Thu, Feb 9, = 2017 at 12:07 PM, rwstracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net><= /span> wrote:
=

Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what = the alt-engine builder faces.=C2=A0 Which is why I the the Megasquirt may b= e a viable alternative.=C2=A0 It used to be a thing for hackers only, now i= t=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play.=C2=A0 The open source group has polished th= e code for many engines (I saw the rotary mentioned) and there are several = sources for completely packaged controllers.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s= not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowdays.

= =C2=A0

I have only used it for a Ch= evy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it up and it worked.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

As alwa= ys, YMMV

Tracy

=C2=A0

Sent from Mai= l for Windows 10

=C2=A0

Fro= m: Wil= liam Jepson
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM

=

To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: SDS EFI

=C2=A0

Tracy,

I have always thought that your efforts were e= xcellent, They got projects in the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as = well, need to recognize is that things like the megasquirt and many of Paul= 's concoctions, while workable, are not projects that the typical build= er is capable of taking on. That is not a comment that is intended to be cr= itical either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit building are good mec= hanics but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for that matter. I= f anything is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component electronic= ally they are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call this, "bu= ilding your own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes I c= ould do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an al= ternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST bu= ild, and trying to make good selections for others that are proven and reli= able. Heck even products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS h= ave had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will b= e perfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and si= mple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. Af= ter that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last lo= ng enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of finishing th= eir kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas lightens the= load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycom= ings.=C2=A0

Bill Jepson

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstra= cy <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I think there is a muc= h more cost effective solution for the ECU than the M4.=C2=A0 When I first = started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasquirt controllers = but the hardware and especially the software was not at a point where I fel= t it was good enough.=C2=A0 In the 20+ years since then, MUCH progress has = been made and it has developed into a much more sophisticated system. It al= so has the benefit of being Open Source in both software and hardware so yo= u can customize it to your hearts content.

=C2=A0=

I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes b= ut I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).=C2=A0 Th= ey are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for them are way more developed than= even the latest version of the EC3 too.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each= for leading and trailing ignition is a good one.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d do that= on my planes if I were starting today.

=C2=A0

Tracy

=C2=A0

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

=C2=A0

From: Bobby J. Hughes
= Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

=C2=A0

Bill,

=C2=A0=

I for one apprecia= te you (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable = gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this critical piece of hardwa= re. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well.= =C2=A0 Each controller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fir= es a set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B contro= ller would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with= a selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be b= ugging him for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the = location of the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility= for dual M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy = and possibly is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see s= ome used ones on eBay for less than $1000. =C2=A0=E2=80=93 Ouch!

=

=C2=A0

Keep us posted on the P-por= t and PSRU development.

=C2=A0

Bobby

=C2=A0

From: Rotary motors = in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday= , February 09, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

=C2=A0

<= div>

Richard,

Ross and I specifically tal= ked about running the rotary. I really like Ross' system and I would li= ke to run it. In the past he had a system dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is v= ery much like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has stopped making it that = would be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I have seen and the a= lternative is the Motec which is a good system but over priced compared to = the SDS.

Bill

=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Rich= ard Van Camp <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bill,=

Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary.=C2=A0 He re= commended the Haltech or, others for that purpose.


Rick

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Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=

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