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(h62.8.17.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net. [98.17.8.62]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p62sm6072292ywb.2.2017.02.09.12.07.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:07:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <589ccbed.415b810a.1f536.cabf@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Jepson Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:07:04 -0500 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_857D3A1B-F0F3-481D-B44C-FEDB317C8371_" --_857D3A1B-F0F3-481D-B44C-FEDB317C8371_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what the alt-engine builder = faces. Which is why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative. It = used to be a thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play. = The open source group has polished the code for many engines (I saw the rot= ary mentioned) and there are several sources for completely packaged contro= llers. It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowdays. I have only used it for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it up= and it worked. =20 As always, YMMV Tracy Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Jepson Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI Tracy, I have always thought that your efforts were excellent, They got projects i= n the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is th= at things like the megasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while workabl= e, are not projects that the typical builder is capable of taking on. That = is not a comment that is intended to be critical either. Lots of the folks = doing successful kit building are good mechanics but not electrical enginee= rs. Or engineers at all for that matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, o= r even a manufactured component electronically they are not equipped to tro= ubleshoot it. I always call this, "building your own light bulbs." Yes I un= derstand the principles. Yes I could do it. But should I take it on? I love= the idea of the rotary as an alternate engine. So I am focusing on the ite= ms that I believe that I MUST build, and trying to make good selections for= others that are proven and reliable. Heck even products that have an excel= lent record like the Motec EMS have had Paul pulling his hair out. To be ab= le to finish my project I will be perfectly happy to run the rotary using t= he mechanical aircraft FI and simple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and = Everett Hatch used. It works. After that refinement will be the order of th= e day. I just hope I can last long enough on this project to get it done. F= or many the task of finishing their kit is daunting, and using something pr= oven in other areas lightens the load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are= flying behind Lycomings.=C2=A0 Bill Jepson On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy wro= te: I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the M= 4.=C2=A0 When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the M= egasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was not = at a point where I felt it was good enough.=C2=A0 In the 20+ years since th= en, MUCH progress has been made and it has developed into a much more sophi= sticated system. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in both softw= are and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts content. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasq= uirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).=C2=A0 They are dirt cheap and the t= uning tools for them are way more developed than even the latest version of= the EC3 too. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing= ignition is a good one.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were s= tarting today.=20 =C2=A0 Tracy =C2=A0 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =C2=A0 From: Bobby J. Hughes Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI =C2=A0 Bill, =C2=A0 I for one appreciate you (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop = a reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this critical piec= e of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy= as well.=C2=A0 Each controller has an separate CAS and each controller act= ively fires a set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and= B controller would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from either contro= ller with a selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I w= ould be bugging him for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to pro= gram the location of the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the po= ssibility for dual M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller ph= ilosophy and possibly is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I= do see some used ones on eBay for less than $1000. =C2=A0=E2=80=93 Ouch! =C2=A0 Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU development. =C2=A0 Bobby =C2=A0 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI =C2=A0 Richard, Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I really like Ross= ' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a system dedicated = to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has = stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I = have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a good system but over = priced compared to the SDS. Bill =C2=A0 On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp wrote: Bill, Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary.=C2=A0 He recommended th= e Haltech or, others for that purpose. Rick -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyro= tary/List.html =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --_857D3A1B-F0F3-481D-B44C-FEDB317C8371_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Hi Bill, I agree with all you said t= here about what the alt-engine builder faces.=C2=A0 Which is why I the the = Megasquirt may be a viable alternative.=C2=A0 It used to be a thing for hac= kers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play.=C2=A0 The open source group= has polished the code for many engines (I saw the rotary mentioned) and th= ere are several sources for completely packaged controllers.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowdays.

 

I have only used it= for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it up and it worked.=C2= =A0

 

As a= lways, YMMV

Tracy

&nbs= p;

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: William Jepson
Sent: Thursday, Febru= ary 9, 2017 1:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS = EFI

 

Tracy,

I have always thought that your eff= orts were excellent, They got projects in the air. The thing is that you, a= nd Paul as well, need to recognize is that things like the megasquirt and m= any of Paul's concoctions, while workable, are not projects that the typica= l builder is capable of taking on. That is not a comment that is intended t= o be critical either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit building are g= ood mechanics but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for that ma= tter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component ele= ctronically they are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call this, &= quot;building your own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. = Yes I could do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary a= s an alternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I = MUST build, and trying to make good selections for others that are proven a= nd reliable. Heck even products that have an excellent record like the Mote= c EMS have had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I= will be perfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI= and simple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It wo= rks. After that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can = last long enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of finis= hing their kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas light= ens the load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings.=  

Bill Jepson

 

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:

I think there is a much more cost effective= solution for the ECU than the M4.  When I first started development o= f the EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and = especially the software was not at a point where I felt it was good enough.=   In the 20+ years since then, MUCH progress has been made and it has = developed into a much more sophisticated system. It also has the benefit of= being Open Source in both software and hardware so you can customize it to= your hearts content.

 

I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Mega= squirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).  They are dirt cheap and the= tuning tools for them are way more developed than even the latest version = of the EC3 too.

 

&nbs= p; Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ign= ition is a good one.  I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were start= ing today.

 

Tracy

 

Sent from Mail= for Windows 10

 

From: Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:1= 1 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: S= DS EFI

 

Bill,

 

I for one appreciate you (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing eff= ort to develop a reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without thi= s critical piece of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual contro= ller philosophy as well.  Each controller has an separate CAS and each= controller actively fires a set of plugs. In our case A controller would f= ire leading and B controller would fire trailing. Injector can be fired fro= m either controller with a selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not fo= r Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the= ability to program the location of the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This = opens up the possibility for dual M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dua= l controller philosophy and possibly is injector relay box. Each M4 runs ab= out $2000 but I do see some used ones on eBay for less than $1000.  = =E2=80=93 Ouch!

 

Keep = us posted on the P-port and PSRU development.

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in a= ircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, February = 09, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

 

Richard,

Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I really like Ros= s' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a system dedicated= to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has= stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I= have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a good system but over= priced compared to the SDS.

Bill

=

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp <= ;flyrotary= @lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bill,

Ross's system cannot= be used to fueling the rotary.  He recommended the Haltech or, others= for that purpose.


Rick

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