X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Jepson" Received: from mail-vk0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9446657 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:48:36 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.44; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id k127so9477337vke.0 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gZGjZ/NIepqgz7Si/eMus3PqkB6JXp5/35eh2n4SLI4=; b=tVCKTlu5g4FMmbzo7bpPi2EScnAkH39aWAkwlWPLbGIDtkORYEIAdp5yvuQKobbwae 3hMZZt+n1D70EW2snfjwNz8HV+hze+uWtoFD2cDooiAc0aphfxcaFEIXadiCcMu8K0H3 sJ7ML1LCg4fyAUKjjFZxFoqFRWCTcGsJgtdda88cA++L+AO35xG0+Qjhm7iFJ7F7FkjQ jKYfo/JJkOVDhmAVauCfuI9H8G1SB/8BKBJZ7Bmd+FzSQsSjO6//kkPbtGCSkYqKPWI8 E+H15g/9Wi+U6JyQAvqBbBaozksmS/0RAbLJuxSaA8BGSwy/WLMWBOFMuWtHeyHNeHMx yhhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gZGjZ/NIepqgz7Si/eMus3PqkB6JXp5/35eh2n4SLI4=; b=R8pSzLwO5Xny5onI/J7FuJb6/ndf9l9cQYTQphS2NI8W6hQawHExPdK4VVGN/RtJ8B 8rnBknjcbts9mtgJZYbQPOFrVIdVekN2PiIbrL8ymZHHmJyp6VZI1rTM3hTYGD37bafH eTZS5Oz72H2BLZLH6r/WDS3fRJitVMFPNGvX7zMEnxTmDXGaJzAnNqKZUOhDFhEHbCdr GwUEZC58+CqV2thLNEyC1iiswMqycX+ukANW6DAFv7Dos9LPecTg8L9kiwf/5FNq77Tr BKV3qTiV82mt2pa7wY2KxepSE9d2v4E79bo3UaSnU/2wA3Z2IStT74HpVYReY1Kj0K1q I3Iw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kwp5tZOmMtjgpaLZjB33fwMVk4WPjfEUBVWVjC+mWuC2N4vsNnaCGbBUtmNTETfGMKfJ208iiOfAn7Fw== X-Received: by 10.31.230.131 with SMTP id d125mr1873513vkh.104.1486666097541; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.56.18 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c095b2aa4cb3c05481d6c1b --94eb2c095b2aa4cb3c05481d6c1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy, I have always thought that your efforts were excellent, They got projects in the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is that things like the megasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while workable, are not projects that the typical builder is capable of taking on. That is not a comment that is intended to be critical either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit building are good mechanics but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for that matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component electronically they are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call this, "building your own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes I could do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an alternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST build, and trying to make good selections for others that are proven and reliable. Heck even products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS have had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will be perfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and simple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. After that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last long enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of finishing their kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas lightens the load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings. Bill Jepson On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy wrote: > I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the > M4. When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the > Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was n= ot > at a point where I felt it was good enough. In the 20+ years since then, > MUCH progress has been made and it has developed into a much more > sophisticated system. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in bot= h > software and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts content. > > > > I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Mega= squirts on new > projects (hotrods mostly). They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for > them are way more developed than even the latest version of the EC3 too. > > > > Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ig= nition is > a good one. I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting today. > > > > Tracy > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bobby J. Hughes > *Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM > *To: *Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI > > > > Bill, > > > > I for one appreciate you (*and Neil=E2=80=99s*) continuing effort to deve= lop a > reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this critical piec= e > of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy= as well. > Each controller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a > set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B controlle= r > would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a > selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bu= gging him > for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location = of > the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual > M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and poss= ibly is injector > relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used ones on eBay f= or > less than $1000. =E2=80=93 Ouch! > > > > Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU development. > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI > > > > Richard, > > Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I really like > Ross' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a system > dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston system= . > If he has stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the > Halltech units I have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a go= od > system but over priced compared to the SDS. > > Bill > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Bill, > > Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary. He recommended the > Haltech or, others for that purpose. > > > Rick > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > --94eb2c095b2aa4cb3c05481d6c1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy,
I have= always thought that your efforts were excellent, They got projects in the = air. The thing is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is that thi= ngs like the megasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while workable,= are not projects that the typical builder is capable of taking on. That is= not a comment that is intended to be critical either. Lots of the folks do= ing successful kit building are good mechanics but not electrical engineers= . Or engineers at all for that matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or = even a manufactured component electronically they are not equipped to troub= leshoot it. I always call this, "building your own light bulbs." = Yes I understand the principles. Yes I could do it. But should I take it on= ? I love the idea of the rotary as an alternate engine. So I am focusing on= the items that I believe that I MUST build, and trying to make good select= ions for others that are proven and reliable. Heck even products that have = an excellent record like the Motec EMS have had Paul pulling his hair out. = To be able to finish my project I will be perfectly happy to run the rotary= using the mechanical aircraft FI and simple electronic ignition Steve Beck= ham and Everett Hatch used. It works. After that refinement will be the ord= er of the day. I just hope I can last long enough on this project to get it= done. For many the task of finishing their kit is daunting, and using some= thing proven in other areas lightens the load. I'm sure that's why = 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings.=C2=A0
Bill Jepson


On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rws= tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the= M4.=C2=A0 When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the= Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was no= t at a point where I felt it was good enough.=C2=A0 In the 20+ years since = then, MUCH progress has been made and it has developed into a much more sop= histicated system. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in both sof= tware and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts content.

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99= m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on n= ew projects (hotrods mostly).=C2=A0 They are dirt cheap and the tuning tool= s for them are way more developed than even the latest version of the EC3 t= oo.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and traili= ng ignition is a good one.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were= starting today.

=C2=A0

Tracy

=C2=A0

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

=C2=A0

From: Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Thursday, Fe= bruary 9, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft<= br>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

=C2=A0

Bill,

=C2=A0

I for one appreciate you (a= nd Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable gearbox. New= rotary installs are done without this critical piece of hardware. I like R= oss=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well.=C2=A0 Each co= ntroller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a set of pl= ugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B controller would fir= e trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a selection s= witch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for= an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location of th= e CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual M4= =E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and possibly= is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used one= s on eBay for less than $1000. =C2=A0=E2=80=93 Ouch!

=C2=A0=

Keep us pos= ted on the P-port and PSRU development.

=C2=A0

Bobby

=C2=A0=

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, Feb= ruary 09, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

= =C2=A0

Richard,

Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I real= ly like Ross' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a s= ystem dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston sy= stem. If he has stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like t= he Halltech units I have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a g= ood system but over priced compared to the SDS.

Bill

<= u>=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM= , Richard Van Camp <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bill,

Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the= rotary.=C2=A0 He recommended the Haltech or, others for that purpose.
<= br>
Rick

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