Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #62690
From: Tracy Crook <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Further testing
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:07:06 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, the spell correction gods messed with my spelling.  Should read 1000 ohms across the CAS.

Tracy

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> On Jul 29, 2016, at 20:27, Stephen Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tracy
> Your "1000 Pham” I take it is 1K resistor across the CAS pins.
> Steve
>> On 30 Jul 2016, at 11:21 AM, Tracy Crook <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> Just another possibility FWIW.
>>
>> The symptom of acting different with different pitch settings of the prop does not fit this possibility but most everything else does.  
>>
>> Several ec2 users had similar problems when using it n the Renesis.  The ec2 was designed well before the Renesis came out so the sense input circuit is not well matched to the Renesis CAS.   Plus, there are at least 4 different versions of the ec2 so that complicates things as well.  
>>
>> If the MAP sensor tap  changes don't help,you might try installing a 1000 Pham resister IN PARALLEL with the CAS .  This could be anywhere along the path, either at the CAS or at the ec2.
>>
>> There were also some internal retrofit changes I made for ec2 / Renesis users.  I can't remember whether you have had them or not.
>>
>> Tracy
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>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 03:19, steve Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> We did further testing of the Renesis today. Would really appreciate your heads on this.
>>> Last series of tests we had this major missing and noise which I think is fuel exploding in the exhaust.
>>> This happens at various RPM’s based on load from the adjustable prop.
>>> With fine pitch it would spin out to just over 7000rpm before striking this mayhem.
>>> With medium pitch it would get to 6000rpm before the same symptoms.
>>> From memory these were both at about 22-23 inches of Hg.
>>> My Wideband O2 is malfunctioning at present.
>>> The narrowband response time appears to slow to discover what the mixture is doing during the episodes.
>>>
>>> Also still having trouble with the EM3. Sometimes display reads what appears to be an error message and at other times stops reading RPM.
>>> The Skyview Engine monitor has the same issue at the same RPM so appears directly related.
>>> I changed the input on the Skyview to the Standard RPM input as I incorrectly fed the injector pulse to the lower voltage input, but this made no difference.
>>>
>>> I had wondered if the secondary injectors weren’t getting power and as a consequence when it staged to all 4 injectors the trouble began.
>>> Using the EM3 display (staging asterisk) and switching power off to the secondaries I was able to ascertain that the secondaries appear to be functioning fine.
>>> I did notice that the point of staging appears to be not solid.
>>> This takes me back to Ed’s comments re damping the manifold signal to the EC2.
>>> Sorry Ed, you might have had it right last week. I thought because it was running so smoothly up to 23 inches that it wasn’t a signal issue.
>>> Maybe the wavelength/timing of those pulses at ~6000rpm matches the manifold signal tap position!
>>>
>>> Ed, you mentioned either small orifice or accumulator. I estimate the volume of the signal line to be approx 18 cubic centimetres.
>>> My gut was that the accumulator required to damp the signal would need to be an order of magnitude larger. (total guess)
>>> So maybe 180 cc’s but thats half a Coke can! Seem’s way to big.
>>> Ed, did I understand you right that a small fuel filter can do the trick? I thought they would only be about 10 cc’s in volume.
>>> I suppose if the pulses are very narrow/short maybe thats all to takes to damp out the pulses.
>>>
>>> Can I ask the group please. Who had trouble with manifold signal and what was the solution that worked best.
>>> Paul Lamar advocates tapping the signal from the oil injection ports. Has/is anyone using this solution?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much everyone.
>>>
>>> Steve Izett
>>> Glasair Super II RG
>>> Reneis 4 port EC2 EM3 RD1-C
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