X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "steve Izett" Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8833695 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 05:20:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.41; envelope-from=steveize@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fi15so29736351pac.1 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 02:20:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=1lSArlIstrNRn+6FkB910T0wb1wAY8NENzqeFP5LN9Y=; b=CmHQPqO+Ymfil2mEykdyuec5hhue0Og4Zp7kpdwoajQXra3AaM7sXEtiCbCFIN5u/d Abhw9wkdDDfHmaUmhB8Y2gm0DCiqoQe2+21kLOeW/ipOiE+wGRpR3Pn5+4PyogmWNiz6 ZjDvU5ur998DtFaxh5bO06ZDIsclMnYRPiDJtld2ASnCeN7x/RwO5ot9xfUByO2n9wtr aoiMm5u/HI0AkJr00Z/P9hpQAYJOhvGwYon9r37GkeyoYn6W5gkJZfz1c1ge+Lm1drlw BTd5IEzeMrnNjQlHe/gcjJbAc6zL8WCKUjYUhTDJtDnsoCQEPofKgigR5pv4o/VwAteP L8GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=1lSArlIstrNRn+6FkB910T0wb1wAY8NENzqeFP5LN9Y=; b=PtpiTxDGRPzA9yUyT6DzWkG/8P83VtCGThaXzqm/Z5jTzw/+I+1Z2iasl/vwbUqGE4 g1+2D0PzcP+Tvkz06MSrQuLhCGZgVtEAy7HqlSpDpxoMFVlr7mbPfoO0kadigbBxcTfE aas3e83I82vkbCQJYnfAXLSEXWXmRvaDCkjyf6cwJB8vJ4zirjjO6Ad3JRr14S50blyP nLcDKyRg6T8LHV+l1YoMXy4kCdXRDs2kRu69h8yNHOZMK4dlXhDRSvrYmltfOsF75e21 oDoMWyzQh5pfBXv02GB9vKHlPFhqPcZMY8Eeon+LadD9hgMNvTl1rB5LufolDZ3jyScv KSlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutwRa1A5a3f1MOO90omK1VgpLItTwIYrI3vWVKyoBu16ijYeF5JREKlIoC5/03NIQ== X-Received: by 10.67.7.165 with SMTP id dd5mr67127396pad.124.1469783987862; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 02:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.1.1.5] (106-68-101-235.dyn.iinet.net.au. [106.68.101.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5sm23049066pac.34.2016.07.29.02.19.39 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Jul 2016 02:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Further testing Message-Id: <087767A9-EE1A-4C15-90DB-15EE96FA3239@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:19:33 +0800 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Hi Guys We did further testing of the Renesis today. Would really appreciate = your heads on this. Last series of tests we had this major missing and noise which I think = is fuel exploding in the exhaust. This happens at various RPM=E2=80=99s based on load from the adjustable = prop. With fine pitch it would spin out to just over 7000rpm before striking = this mayhem. With medium pitch it would get to 6000rpm before the same symptoms. =46rom memory these were both at about 22-23 inches of Hg. My Wideband O2 is malfunctioning at present.=20 The narrowband response time appears to slow to discover what the = mixture is doing during the episodes. Also still having trouble with the EM3. Sometimes display reads what = appears to be an error message and at other times stops reading RPM. The Skyview Engine monitor has the same issue at the same RPM so appears = directly related. I changed the input on the Skyview to the Standard RPM input as I = incorrectly fed the injector pulse to the lower voltage input, but this = made no difference. I had wondered if the secondary injectors weren=E2=80=99t getting power = and as a consequence when it staged to all 4 injectors the trouble = began. Using the EM3 display (staging asterisk) and switching power off to the = secondaries I was able to ascertain that the secondaries appear to be = functioning fine. I did notice that the point of staging appears to be not solid. This takes me back to Ed=E2=80=99s comments re damping the manifold = signal to the EC2. Sorry Ed, you might have had it right last week. I thought because it = was running so smoothly up to 23 inches that it wasn=E2=80=99t a signal = issue. Maybe the wavelength/timing of those pulses at ~6000rpm matches the = manifold signal tap position! Ed, you mentioned either small orifice or accumulator. I estimate the = volume of the signal line to be approx 18 cubic centimetres. My gut was that the accumulator required to damp the signal would need = to be an order of magnitude larger. (total guess) So maybe 180 cc=E2=80=99s but thats half a Coke can! Seem=E2=80=99s way = to big. Ed, did I understand you right that a small fuel filter can do the = trick? I thought they would only be about 10 cc=E2=80=99s in volume. I suppose if the pulses are very narrow/short maybe thats all to takes = to damp out the pulses. Can I ask the group please. Who had trouble with manifold signal and = what was the solution that worked best. Paul Lamar advocates tapping the signal from the oil injection ports. = Has/is anyone using this solution? Thanks very much everyone. Steve Izett Glasair Super II RG Reneis 4 port EC2 EM3 RD1-C =20