X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from omr-a015e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8812488 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:46:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.29.186.63; envelope-from=ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.80]) by omr-a015e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 359103800056 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-abd03e.mail.aol.com (core-abd03.mail.aol.com [172.27.0.13]) by mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 035B838000082 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ARGOLDMAN Message-ID: <4db347.1474134f.44c24841@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:46:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: How do you run these things???? To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4db347.1474134f.44c24841_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.8 sub 2019 X-Originating-IP: [50.151.84.32] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1469115970; bh=Iso4bY1P9follZJMtnlN3lFylPsdGCTfXjsTqevgmHU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MJnNJUkn1iVL3eXGSLnjNqIIGKUe2ekTWIHUeR3pAcGKDQsfl3UWWdUdE9TAxa1UN 8ntPgoQE3N3i4YXNwG0/jJ3gtvITmLZcAzsZUbR1ORZYqE1wOtaUQDNNDtksmED5Us dK/1ajsvdP/clXB79GIy1YpKDpkpW4+IIJ/PYyCw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd505790ee427fa8 --part1_4db347.1474134f.44c24841_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Thanks for the info, Bill, =20 I am aware of the rotation situation with regard to the prop. =20 Although not completely analogous to the pusher, I did build a dragonfly= =20 (with a midwest/norton rotary) and because it was a canard, it lands in a= =20 similar fashion. You don't flair and stall canards, per say. The approach= =20 and "leveling out" is similar. My understanding is never to let the canard= go =20 above the horizon. =20 Again, thanks for the warning. =20 Rich =20 =20 In a message dated 7/21/2016 8:22:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: =20 Rich,=20 If your prop will allow it, I take off at 7100 rpm, best power, WOT. =20 After I get 6-700 ft, I dial the rpm back to about 6500, still best power= and=20 WOT. For cruise about 5800-6000, leaned about 50 degrees below peak, sti= ll=20 WOT. The only time I adjust the throttle is during the approach to=20 landing, otherwise WOT. Adjust power with the rpm. Temp is the critical= factor=20 if you don=E2=80=99t yet know how the setup cools. I have a red line of= 220 on=20 water and have never seen my oil above 200. On a really hot day I can se= e the =20 temp hit 220 by the time I am reducing power. The power reduction and =20 increase the speed from 100K to 120K and it cools right down with my setu= p. I=20 see about 180 water and 160 oil in cruise.=20 If you have a pusher be aware of your pitch on rotation and landing. How= =20 much clearance do you have for the prop?=20 Bill=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:31 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How do you run these things???? =20 =20 =20 Thanks all, for the replies, =20 =20 I can rotate a little more easily now. =20 =20 Because I am a pusher (that doesn't sound exactly right) My in-cabin nois= e=20 may be less than with a tractor, and because the aircraft is glass perhap= s=20 it will be a little quieter. In any case, because I am a little (?) older= =20 I may not hear the noise as acutely as younger eared people. =20 =20 So I won't worry about the throttle setting and keep my TO RPMs at or=20 below the Renesis recommended stats. =20 =20 That still leaves the mixture question unleaned. =20 =20 Any thoughts of what to do with the mixture???? =20 =20 Thanks again, =20 =20 Rich --part1_4db347.1474134f.44c24841_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Thanks for the info, Bill,
 
I am aware of the rotation situation with regard to the prop.
 
Although not completely analogous to the pusher, I did build a dragon= fly=20 (with a midwest/norton rotary) and because it was a canard, it lands in a= =20 similar fashion. You don't flair and stall  canards, per say. The app= roach=20 and "leveling out" is similar. My understanding is never to let the canard= go=20 above the horizon.
 
Again, thanks for the warning.
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 7/21/2016 8:22:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Rich,

 

If your prop= will=20 allow it, I take off at 7100 rpm, best power, WOT.  After I get 6-7= 00 ft,=20 I dial the rpm back to about 6500, still best power and WOT.  For= cruise=20 about 5800-6000, leaned about 50 degrees below peak, still WOT.  Th= e only=20 time I adjust the throttle is during the approach to landing, otherwise= =20 WOT.  Adjust power with the rpm.  Temp is the critical factor= if you=20 don=E2=80=99t yet know how the setup cools.  I have a red line of= 220 on water=20 and have never seen my oil above 200.  On a really hot day I can se= e the=20 temp hit 220 by the time I am reducing power.  The power reduction= and=20 increase the speed from 100K to 120K and it cools right down with my=20 setup.  I see about 180 water and 160 oil in=20 cruise.

 

If you have= a pusher=20 be aware of your pitch on rotation and landing.  How much clearance= do=20 you have for the prop?

 

Bill

 

 

From:<= /SPAN>=20 Rotary motors in aircraft= =20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:3= 1=20 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How do= you run=20 these things????

 

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Thanks all,= for the=20 replies,

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I can rotate= a=20 little more easily now.

 <= /o:p>

Because I am= a=20 pusher (that doesn't sound exactly right) My in-cabin noise may be less= than=20 with a tractor, and because the aircraft is glass perhaps it will be a= little=20 quieter. In any case, because I am a little (?) older I may not hear the= noise=20 as acutely as younger eared people.

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So I won't= worry=20 about the throttle setting and keep my TO RPMs at or below the Renesis= =20 recommended stats.

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That still= leaves=20 the mixture question unleaned.

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Any thoughts= of what=20 to do with the mixture????

 <= /o:p>

Thanks=20 again,

 <= /o:p>

Rich<= /FONT>

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