X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Chad Peterson" Received: from mail-qt0-f180.google.com ([209.85.216.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8782695 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:37:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.180; envelope-from=capeterson7x@gmail.com Received: by mail-qt0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w59so109182257qtd.3 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=P6SpTz2mxY8ugrNWewzIzPZMkbPHN/qG3PArk6KlRHQ=; b=MB8nHYzXdA0a604Vq7ZkBo72XsW2rDVtijJlSblFsCeDYutEa+Ggyc+arBQXllN9Ml wpg+ffQJ+GI80yr+p0/r9c/tfLxwsIUlk3x5Hc4wlwx9BidzCl5cPXoqEe36cYkWS+75 zQi8wdK/y8rkgo4Zp+ksR3YiRrN2zfokLWuSCuk8fgyOa4L3SdgsZKk3jqgfZe9+/hR7 YndXibtnKhedQamG/QXQWosdD9963sjG2QJlk0SwTwTR/W4/NJj34odN7164ybcC6A5x nRMmtK0c4E9fqCnIRRJ5NiMkg1rv+qLTDvCYgVe7np0ifCWx/v0td57Lid+DKub4R4aZ lMKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=P6SpTz2mxY8ugrNWewzIzPZMkbPHN/qG3PArk6KlRHQ=; b=kQin++YoJbKkfP535OFVE49+BKO5p6FnTKRtAYx9wt9v/vHpI6u0e650ml5B8UocG8 QurkYkc041VEhKjP6t/W06y6asZYpj953nQQsepVV3YuNDLbg/5cMAJig2zquB2oxWc4 TWC95FowrUr+OYBcGQ9eaSgk8g2AMl592L2XPCf9YHrYE3kMgNBn4uxpQw6L1fMvEvMf XN/wtIghKQQACJ9gXsDRWrLg9vUw5UJ+Wc7IlYHj50FyTzB8j8J0ZNZAlYES4bGnTTxC 7S+d/t0HtwbNVW4Kbx3IsDoivqwqveWb/HSAyYWaywDNbsu4vA7whz5AU1vNoc4+oah2 JzEA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIxPZOonnRudQFpxP+E5v09YPRtSLCKk5owS3GVh6xufpJpMSsmjOTbr7Q1wX4OIBoncnUboU1o5B583A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.200.55.37 with SMTP id o34mr31775280qtb.70.1467761842071; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.233.222.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.233.222.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:37:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11398234362e330536ebef58 --001a11398234362e330536ebef58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a remote mixture adapter for the 500cfm Holley 2300 series 2 barrel carb. Great deal on those magnetos though. On Jul 5, 2016 6:33 PM, "Charlie England" wrote: > Hey Chad, why not go totally aircraft quality? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slick-Magneto-2220-2-cylinder-government-surplus-= NEW-/261131236190?hash=3Ditem3ccca2735e:m:mCxhlxs4nXtIFbbchDrOH6Q > > ;-) > > Seriously, which carb do you plan to use? While you can get away without = a > lot of ignition advance with a rotary, you still need to lean it at > altitude. Options are out there, but don't forget that you need to have a > plan to control mixture. > > Charlie > > On 7/5/2016 1:37 PM, Chad Peterson wrote: > > Might be interested. Was looking at ignition modules and the Pertronix > looks like the only one which actually carries multiple sparks past > 3000RPM. Also has crank angle offset setting which allows you to adjust > when the following sparks fire, would be good for a rotary due to the > longer burn time. Only allows to be set up in 4,6, or 8 cylinder mode > though so not sure how tach output will read. > > They don't offer siamesed coils though, so at minimum i would be > interested in those, and curious about other ignition parts available. > > Chad. > On Jul 5, 2016 1:25 PM, "Bobby J. Hughes" > wrote: > > Chad, > > > > If you haven=E2=80=99t purchased the MSD coils I may have some available.= Mark > Steitle did some experimenting with a similar setup and has a box of MSD > parts in his hanger. Not sure exactly what=E2=80=99s in the box but parts= were used > for a few ground runs. Next trip to the hanger I=E2=80=99ll do an invento= ry and > take a picture. > > > > Bobby Hughes > > > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:02 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system > > > > Interesting, > > Do you have pictures of this system? > > I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most > fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneousl= y > with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only > needing 2 modules instead of 3. > > On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" wrote: > > One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor > mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make t= he > disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree whe= el > on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy. > > > > Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor. > > > > One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil > (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra > weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together. > > > > The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is > possible. > > > > Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good > from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use > NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". > > > > Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine > appears to be not running when a timing light is used. > > > > Lynn E. Hanover > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: > > Tracy > > > > I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both th= e > fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep th= e > stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking= a > hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/simil= ar > low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for bot= h > leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3r= d > generation RX7s). > > > > Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank > trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I ne= ed > one or three ignition modules to achieve this? > > > > Many thanks, > > Chad. > > > --001a11398234362e330536ebef58 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a remote mixture adapter for the 500cfm Holley 2300= series 2 barrel carb.

Great deal on those magnetos though.

On Jul 5, 2016 6:33 PM, "Charlie England&qu= ot; <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hey Chad, why not go totally aircraft quality?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slick-Magneto-2220-2-cylinder-go= vernment-surplus-NEW-/261131236190?hash=3Ditem3ccca2735e:m:mCxhlxs4nXtIFbbc= hDrOH6Q

;-)

Seriously, which carb do you plan to use? While you can get away without a lot of ignition advance with a rotary, you still need to lean it at altitude. Options are out there, but don't forget that you need to have a plan to control mixture.

Charlie

On 7/5/2016 1:37 PM, Chad Peterson wrote:

Might be interested. Was looking at ignition modules and the Pertronix looks like the only one which actually carries multiple sparks past 3000RPM. Also has crank angle offset setting which allows you to adjust when the following sparks fire, would be good for a rotary due to the longer burn time. Only allows to be set up in 4,6, or 8 cylinder mode though so not sure how tach output will read.

They don't offer siamesed coils though, so at mini= mum i would be interested in those, and curious about other ignition parts available.

Chad.

On Jul 5, 2016 1:25 PM, "Bobby J. Hug= hes" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Chad,

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If you haven=E2=80=99t purchased the MSD coils I may have so= me available. Mark Steitle did some experimenting with a similar setup and has a box of MSD parts in his hanger. Not sure exactly what=E2=80=99s in the box but pa= rts were used for a few ground runs. Next trip to the hanger I=E2=80=99ll do an inventory and take a picture. <= /span>

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Bobby Hughes

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:02 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system

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Interesting,

Do you have pictures of this system?

I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fin= e. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy.

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Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor.

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One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together.

=C2=A0<= /span>

The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is possible.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010".= =C2=A0

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Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Lynn E. Hanover

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In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Tra= cy

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I= 'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s).

= =C2=A0

W= ould this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this?

= =C2=A0

M= any thanks,

C= had.=C2=A0


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