X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Chad Peterson" Received: from mail-qt0-f178.google.com ([209.85.216.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8782062 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:37:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.178; envelope-from=capeterson7x@gmail.com Received: by mail-qt0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w59so105495171qtd.3 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:37:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=YTBb2/i7APbmaDogvTjxUFrldEh4sGsoVYEjcyAVe54=; b=QY9RoeBMR0XRZUNGOe4VbKStD2q0GNvZvUjoMhc+70LWtppOkMKuKqImCaGmFhXugP 70qoMHD4k82Xe+od9tM+NbgseNq4AwM1QwtbAzT2z4p88LImwVu4SV60QJXAoWXAwxW2 zcfnYnuFgmapxibiZ6uk2A2ctIhmo1cQbg/mWXyaKWv8J2UNsUk6a/DMAEgtjZwWuhxb gxfZpnePeNtKfeHM/F+HqhlD+RcJe/qqZXl7icJaEBeZMbFteSSk746M0JRgwHg02XOT AJz8tO/Nb9/nneAUPELh6cC9ncGYSb/aOZsUJT0P61gjLK2oxUadQ2/VAvtIIsUH/g24 qnBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=YTBb2/i7APbmaDogvTjxUFrldEh4sGsoVYEjcyAVe54=; b=DNtOBTXxVFPYFX3ws/7Zc5NHN0Uo4zjcwOQ9gC6MmEZM08gGlD3KCOwziFRsasfTPZ roD7C/QEmijBTSbL7j33CV/YyugVhxrI7e6c7HfduLN87wx5MqPCPFRQkesANrQrqfQk lZ43/8tNr0htji6kjX8a/tb1u5I6p6j5lXO3uAsA1GbJ9r12WTzw5JWp1TR9R52xRCQE zXSkRsMdQAZaNmWDtXyFNp5OCaQgtQ9iSl7igGpfDSGAEQM5ff6ZmC1MmAzQzZyJkfVq Vi1Tu3yoTKi+5/v+3y2GwibdO8CQpSLgz4S50BbmcCxOnROd4w5WRkec1J/2GOi3e5q0 38VA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKw259GG0Yuw3djH5K33JD9QrUUDaF5DSXgz0Edhr9TZ96trlsAxWNNxojD0Hwzv1goGHE0rYDmZlJ/7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.200.55.37 with SMTP id o34mr29766502qtb.70.1467743827047; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.233.222.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.233.222.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113982346ec4d40536e7bd2d --001a113982346ec4d40536e7bd2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Might be interested. Was looking at ignition modules and the Pertronix looks like the only one which actually carries multiple sparks past 3000RPM. Also has crank angle offset setting which allows you to adjust when the following sparks fire, would be good for a rotary due to the longer burn time. Only allows to be set up in 4,6, or 8 cylinder mode though so not sure how tach output will read. They don't offer siamesed coils though, so at minimum i would be interested in those, and curious about other ignition parts available. Chad. On Jul 5, 2016 1:25 PM, "Bobby J. Hughes" wrote: Chad, If you haven=E2=80=99t purchased the MSD coils I may have some available. M= ark Steitle did some experimenting with a similar setup and has a box of MSD parts in his hanger. Not sure exactly what=E2=80=99s in the box but parts w= ere used for a few ground runs. Next trip to the hanger I=E2=80=99ll do an inventory= and take a picture. Bobby Hughes *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:02 AM *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system Interesting, Do you have pictures of this system? I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3. On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" wrote: One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy. Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor. One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together. The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is possible. Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Tracy I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s). Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this? Many thanks, Chad. --001a113982346ec4d40536e7bd2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Might be interested. Was looking at ignition modules and the= Pertronix looks like the only one which actually carries multiple sparks p= ast 3000RPM. Also has crank angle offset setting which allows you to adjust= when the following sparks fire, would be good for a rotary due to the long= er burn time. Only allows to be set up in 4,6, or 8 cylinder mode though so= not sure how tach output will read.

They don't offer siamesed coils though, so at minimum i = would be interested in those, and curious about other ignition parts availa= ble.

Chad.

On Jul 5, 2016 1:25 PM, "Bobby J. Hughes&qu= ot; <flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net> wrote:

Chad,

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If you haven=E2=80=99t purchased the= MSD coils I may have some available. Mark Steitle did some experimenting w= ith a similar setup and has a box of MSD parts in his hanger. Not sure exac= tly what=E2=80=99s in the box but parts were used for a few ground runs. Ne= xt trip to the hanger I=E2=80=99ll do an inventory and take a picture. <= /u>

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mai= lto:flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:02 AM=
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Renesis: just the ignition system

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Interesting, <= u>

Do you have pictures of this system?

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I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (m= ost fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneou= sly with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only ne= eding 2 modules instead of 3.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:

One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluc= tor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine.= Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the de= gree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy.=

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Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the rel= uctor.

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One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to ligh= t off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel = if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing= one together.

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The second pickup fires housing two. Keep= plug wires as short as is possible.

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Adjust reluctor di= sc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 R= PM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range pl= ugs gapped at .010".=C2=A0

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Non turbo engines only.= Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running w= hen a timing light is used.

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Lynn E. Hanover

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In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight T= ime, flyro= tary@lancaironline.net writes:

Tracy

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I'm wanting t= o use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injectio= n system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. Wh= at would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall eff= ect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cos= t unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading= plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generat= ion RX7s).

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Would this be a matter of simply installing a= universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an = ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this= ?

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Many thanks,

Chad.=C2=A0

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