X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from omr-m007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8780806 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 04:15:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.29.186.9; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.111]) by omr-m007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D77F43800090 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mdd03c.mail.aol.com (core-mdd03.mail.aol.com [172.27.62.13]) by mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA28E38000082 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: Lehanover Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b4c90.7e2762d4.44acc680_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.8 sub 2019 X-Originating-IP: [74.140.106.236] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1467706497; bh=mXIYewD9rSYfzon1Z2DAGvHBEwzZHuov/zcXVppShIY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QcLj0jIQX6ylDoO7nEpuRoDa6t49YHsQy9WXTEUREUb6pPiBnYEweq8AHg2Hh9ROF GTM+IS16WjKcVQlrAwJJsbKoF8nDEcga1hcceJLwEcGvQxRAZNsgoP30yYBmhNGL0+ VAbnvt+XPEFj735FcupGk4UdYW3TXvOeM7j5/HM0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe6f577b6c81611a --part1_b4c90.7e2762d4.44acc680_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I will send it along. It may be in the archives as well. Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Interesting, Do you have pictures of this system? I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3. On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <_flyrotary@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) > wrote: One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy. Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluctor. One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together. The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as is possible. Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _flyrotary@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) writes: Tracy I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s). Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this? Many thanks, Chad. --part1_b4c90.7e2762d4.44acc680_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I will send it= along.=20 It may be in the archives as well.
Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails.
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Interesting,

Do you have pictures of this system?

I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the sam= e time=20 (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs=20 simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good, consi= dering=20 only needing 2 modules instead of 3.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /A>>=20 wrote:
One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron rel= uctor=20 mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Mak= e the=20 disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket degree wheel. Mount the degree= wheel=20 on the front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead easy.
 
Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the reluct= or.=20
 
One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double en= ded=20 coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the= extra=20 weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in housing one together.
 
The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as= is=20 possible.
 
Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees BTDC= . Good=20 from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for years.= Use=20 NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010". 
 
Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the= engine=20 appears to be not running when a timing light is used.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,= flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
Tracy=20

I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build. Eliminati= ng=20 both the fuel injection system and the emissions system, I have no= need to=20 keep the stock ECM. What would be the easiest ignition system to use= ? I'm=20 thinking a hall effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fi= reball=20 Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each trailing plu= g and=20 one for both leading plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark similar= to=20 the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s).

Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal afterma= rket=20 crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger an ignition module?= Would=20 I need one or three ignition modules to achieve this?

Many thanks,
Chad. 
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