X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Bill Bradburry" Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7738785 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 15:59:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.21; envelope-from=bbradburry@verizon.net Received: from Desktop ([71.164.185.6]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NPL00I3YBI9KW60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 14:59:03 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Za3gTZhA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=20weQFHSdBTlwctzPCQ/Gw==:117 a=kUPQlYmSbg0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=f2FnKzKnIXzhoJ4bZMcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=uOqcfnA8mH0BqlFLatgA:9 a=MDWhUWMduSC7Dw5E:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: new operating question Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 14:59:01 -0500 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01D0A132.806788D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AdChNjHTtUBW1L1LRM6ojhFAk3oE4wAJDwYA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D0A132.806788D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich, I am flying the NA Renesis with MT electric prop and wideband O2 sensor. Take off and initial climb is WOT with 7100 rpm, after about 500 ft AGL, I dial the prop back to 6500 rpm, still WOT. Cruise climb is WOT and 6000-6200 rpm, and cruise is WOT and 5200-5800 rpm. All climbs are at 12.0-12.5 F/A mixture and cruise is 15.8-16.0 F/A mixture. I never move the throttle off of wide open until I am slowing to enter the pattern for landing. Engine speed is controlled with the prop and power to some extent with the mixture. I have hopes that after Bobby makes his decision as to whether to go with the turbo or the 20B, he will give me the other one! :>) Bill _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 10:25 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: new operating question Rich, My normal, not in a hurry settings. 38" MP / 7000 rpm for takeoff and initial climb with F/A 12.5-12.0. Cruise climb 5800 rpm 30-32" MP F/A 13.5- 12.5. Preferred cruise rpm 4800- 5200 At less than 30" MP and F/A 15.8-16.0. Full throttle. Prop rpm controls engine rpm and super charger bypass controls MP. A turbo charger and automotive waste gate would likely require throttle management during high rpm operations. Bobby Hughes Super charged Renesis with electric MT prop. (New Turbo charger and a 20B on the bench- still haven't made a decision about upgrading the RV10. ) Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, ARGOLDMAN wrote: Greetings genlepeople of the rotary pursuasion, For those of you using variable pitch (C/S) props, an operating question that has been bugging me. Perhaps the collective wisdom of this group can set my mind at rest. In piston aircraft engines, the concept of running over squared MP vs RPM has been heavily questioned to the extent that some suggest running at full throttle all the time and controlling the power output via RPM (within reason). The thought is to, I believe, eliminate the induction restriction of the butterfly valve increasing the efficiency. Now we have a rotor spinning, a gear box gearing and a propeller propelling. Does this concept hold true for the rotaries. What are people doing in terms of setting power after take off (full throttle max RPM). My enquiring and rotating mind wants to know. (Unturbocharged Renesis with RD1-c Box) Thanks Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D0A132.806788D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rich,

I am flying the NA Renesis with MT electric prop and wideband O2 sensor.

 

Take off and initial climb is WOT = with 7100 rpm, after about 500 ft AGL, I dial the prop back to 6500 rpm, = still WOT.  Cruise climb is WOT and 6000-6200 rpm, and cruise is WOT and 5200-5800 rpm.  All climbs are at 12.0-12.5 F/A mixture and cruise = is 15.8-16.0 F/A mixture.

 

I never move the throttle off of = wide open until I am slowing to enter the pattern for landing.  Engine speed = is controlled with the prop and power to some extent with the = mixture.

 

I have hopes that after Bobby makes = his decision as to whether to go with the turbo or the 20B, he will give me = the other one!   :>)

 

Bill

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 07, = 2015 10:25 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = new operating question

 

Rich, 

My normal, not in a hurry = settings. 

 

38" MP / 7000 rpm for takeoff and initial climb with F/A 12.5-12.0. Cruise climb 5800 rpm 30-32" MP F/A 13.5- 12.5. = Preferred cruise rpm 4800- 5200 At less than 30" MP and F/A 15.8-16.0. =  Full throttle.  Prop rpm controls engine rpm and super charger bypass = controls MP. A turbo charger and automotive waste gate would likely require = throttle management during high rpm = operations. 

 

Bobby Hughes 

Super charged Renesis with electric MT = prop.

(New Turbo charger and a 20B on the bench- still haven't made a decision about upgrading the RV10. )

 



Sent from my iPad


On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Greetings = genlepeople of the rotary pursuasion,

 

=

For those of you using variable = pitch (C/S) props, an operating question that has been bugging me. Perhaps the collective wisdom of this group can set my mind at = rest.

 

=

In piston aircraft engines, the = concept of running over squared  MP vs RPM has been heavily questioned = to the extent that some suggest running at full throttle all the time and = controlling the power output via RPM (within reason). The thought is to, I believe, eliminate the induction restriction of the butterfly valve increasing = the efficiency.

 

=

Now we have a rotor spinning, a = gear box gearing and a propeller propelling. Does this concept hold true for the rotaries. What are people doing in terms of setting power after take off = (full throttle max RPM).

 

=

My enquiring and rotating mind = wants to know. 

 

=

(Unturbocharged Renesis with RD1-c = Box)

 

=

Thanks

=

 

=

Rich

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