X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.211] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6569215 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:35:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.27.211; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j19c1m0051zF43QAB7bAnv; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:35:10 +0000 Received: from sz0081.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j7bA1m00E2xZMJ48k7bAjB; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:35:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:35:10 +0000 (UTC) From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <1424948620.4130981.1383075310619.JavaMail.root@sz0081a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 05 RX8 rollover-no-start in my shop. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4130980_891302635.1383075310618" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:108.86.35.73] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1383075310; bh=Jha0Sg6ym2WIzvhR165+Q9FKc4YTwnm02DeHwTdywKU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=SxiCcA0HtrBUsWbQkAfzDjrA4Wyos3iD3837gd+WfWQ3/ISCEFD5fdpGKQNqCB6c9 Nq8tfuFFy4CyVAo5w5Id3nftfalQOjEFzkquIzfYI9yUoQX1G3bGdgRvHQikZZSYqB 50quqdSH+8+yCYKJccewwWZ8Ft1DHHR7SC1wIxfVM28QVpj+ojlU3pC2e2wjYqxTkT ZW2aHDt9MFaCn9G/rVPmDyrkp+aky8dNrclJQOufY9kuWWjPKGdrRsJ4rA00t5mM1i caJ4/hHX2s0SBuRaPBt8OIQu6Wpquiy6EyQThG3DFP50/Bz74SXinhSNIJtR89yu2v TszuMqpJ229wg== ------=_Part_4130980_891302635.1383075310618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM eng. start seems normal, had what sounded like good compression ( when c= ar came to my shop eng. spun over like no plugs were installed )=C2=A0 will= let sit outside overnight, temps have been around 34F at night, restart ne= xt AM.=C2=A0 S o right now eng. has real oil 10w30w & two cyc. in fuel 1/2 = to 1 ratio.=C2=A0 Lynn if you are following, I need your input about factor= y request for 5w20w semi-synth. oil usage, should I instruct cust. to go ba= ck to fact. recommendations,=C2=A0 still need to ask him what oil he has be= en using, car has 130,000 miles ( no air time )=C2=A0 ( yet )=C2=A0 David R= . Cook=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary ( sun is out right now maybe get an hr. air-time t= his evening ).=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: hoursaway1@comcast.net=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:03:42 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 05 RX8 rollover-no-start in my shop.=20 Ok, eng. now runs,=C2=A0 EFI disabled, coils disabled,=C2=A0 2cyc. oil adde= d to fuel tank 1/2 to1 ,=C2=A0 used the ATF-acetone mixture 50/50, aprox. 4= oz. of each ( shaken-not stirred ) poured into lower intake while cranking,= through two vac. ports that had plugs over them/unused one for each rotor,= =C2=A0 added 12" hoses & small funnels,=C2=A0 & had plugs removed for clean= ing, cranked eng.,=C2=A0 let sit 1hr.=C2=A0 cranked eng. every 1/2 hr. for = most of the day, then added one oz. real motor oil, cranked eng., cleaned p= lug hole area of flammable debris, installed plugs, EFI enabled, switched c= harger to 100A eng. start mode, after three tries started & ran on it's own= , instant IFR inside shop even with overhead doors open, reached op. temp. = shutdown, hoist & drain oil ( cust. had full syn. oil in crankcase ) add re= al oil, run & drain oil again, change filter, 5:45pm time to go home, feed = & let the dogs outside. Cont. tomorrow. Cust was told will need new eng. We= 'll see, not done yet. Total time so far=3D aprox. 3 hrs. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 David R. Cook=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:49:55 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 05 RX8 rollover-no-start in my shop.=20 If it is going to need to pass emissions you might want to bypass the react= or for these "Repairs"...................On the other hand you might try a = nice gentle push start. Spin it up in 2nd gear. If you get it running get i= t up to normal temps and=C2=A0slowly pour in about a pop cans worth of plai= n old tap water into the throttle body. This will take all of the carbon of= f of the rotors. Add some=C2=A02 cycle=C2=A0oil to the fuel tank and make s= ure the OMP is working. This is what happens when you burn multigrade =C2= =A0dino oil in a rotary.=20 =C2=A0=20 One pop can for each housing for carbed engines. Same for piston engines be= fore an overhaul. Ends all of the scraping and wire brushing.=20 Do this outside with an old towel over the tail pipe. A ghastly load of cra= p comes out of old engines cleaned this way. This stuff stains and will not= wipe off of anything.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0Lynn E. Hanover=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 In a message dated 10/24/2013 7:55:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hoursaway= 1@comcast.net writes:=20 Ok will get started tomorrow & will let you know the results.=C2=A0 David R= . Cook=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary=C2=A0 ( need some air time this weekend.)=20 ------=_Part_4130980_891302635.1383075310618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>AM eng. s= tart seems normal, had what sounded like good compression ( when car came t= o my shop eng. spun over like no plugs were installed )  will let sit = outside overnight, temps have been around 34F at night, restart next AM.&nb= sp; So right now eng. has real oil 10w30w & two cyc. in fuel 1/2 to 1 r= atio.  Lynn if you are following, I need your input about factory requ= est for 5w20w semi-synth. oil usage, should I instruct cust. to go back to = fact. recommendations,  still need to ask him what oil he has been usi= ng, car has 130,000 miles ( no air time )  ( yet )  David R. Cook=   RV6A Rotary ( sun is out right now maybe get an hr. air-time this ev= ening ).

From: hoursaway1@comcast.net
To: "Rotary motors in aircraf= t" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, October 28, = 2013 10:03:42 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 05 RX8 rollover-no-star= t in my shop.

Ok, eng.= now runs,  EFI disabled, coils disabled,  2cyc. oil added to fue= l tank 1/2 to1 ,  used the ATF-acetone mixture 50/50, aprox. 4oz. of e= ach ( shaken-not stirred ) poured into lower intake while cranking, through= two vac. ports that had plugs over them/unused one for each rotor,  a= dded 12" hoses & small funnels,  & had plugs removed for clean= ing, cranked eng.,  let sit 1hr.  cranked eng. every 1/2 hr. for = most of the day, then added one oz. real motor oil, cranked eng., cleaned p= lug hole area of flammable debris, installed plugs, EFI enabled, switched c= harger to 100A eng. start mode, after three tries started & ran on it's= own, instant IFR inside shop even with overhead doors open, reached op. te= mp. shutdown, hoist & drain oil ( cust. had full syn. oil in crankcase = ) add real oil, run & drain oil again, change filter, 5:45pm time to go= home, feed & let the dogs outside. Cont. tomorrow. Cust was told will = need new eng. We'll see, not done yet. Total time so far=3D aprox. 3 hrs. &= nbsp;            David R. Cook  RV6A Rot= ary.

From: Lehanover@aol.com
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" &l= t;flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 201= 3 9:49:55 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 05 RX8 rollover-no-start in= my shop.

If it is going to need to pass emissions you might want to bypass the = reactor for these "Repairs"...................On the other hand you might t= ry a nice gentle push start. Spin it up in 2nd gear. If you get it running = get it up to normal temps and slowly pour in about a pop cans worth of= plain old tap water into the throttle body. This will take all of the carb= on off of the rotors. Add some 2 cycle oil to the fuel tank and m= ake sure the OMP is working. This is what happens when you burn multigrade =  dino oil in a rotary.
 
One pop can for each housing for carbed engines. Same for piston engin= es before an overhaul. Ends all of the scraping and wire brushing.
Do this outside with an old towel over the tail pipe. A ghastly load o= f crap comes out of old engines cleaned this way. This stuff stains and wil= l not wipe off of anything. 
  Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/24/2013 7:55:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hour= saway1@comcast.net writes:
Ok will get started tomorrow & will let you know t= he results.  David R. Cook  RV6A Rotary  ( need some air tim= e this weekend.)
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