Return-Path: Received: from access.aic-fl.com ([204.49.76.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2995718 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:28:37 -0500 Received: from homep276y68tk5 (unverified [204.49.76.30]) by access.aic-fl.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:30:12 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c3f562$d69ed740$1e4c31cc@homep276y68tk5> From: "Richard" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Won't start Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:32:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3F530.8B74D170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3F530.8B74D170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I tried to start my one-rotor for the first time, it took me one = whole day to solve the non existent compression problem. Everything came = out of my junk box including out of spec apex seals. To make a long = story short, a couple squirts of motor oil into one of the spark plug = holes made it start up every time. It never hurt the plugs.=20 Keep in mind, if you get fuel in there without firing up, it washes out = the oil from the seals and makes the compression even worse. Other then compression, the rotary is very forgiving about conditions = for running, such a mixture and ignition timing.=20 Richard Sohn N-2071U unicorn@gdsys.net www.gdsys.net/WWWmembers/unicorn/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Sower=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Won't start IMO starting fluid is like lots and lots of other things ... a good = practice, but a bad habit. If you have compression, a shot of ether = will start it and clear flooded plugs. I used it for years and years in = the auto repair business with NO bad results or side effects. Don't use = a whole lot, and don't run on it for any significant time. A shot to = clear floods and determine if engine is capable or running.=20 Just a theory .... Jim S.=20 Ed Anderson wrote:=20 I presume you ignition timing is set correctly and the correct wires = are on the correct plugs. Since you are using a carb, it could be an = air leak, but if you put fuel into the intake it should have started and = ran until exhausting it - so not certain its your air path. Did you do a = compression check? Do you get the usually "whoomp" sound when you pull = the prop through?A bit more information would be good. Ed Ed Anderson=20 RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered=20 Matthews, NC=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Finn Lassen To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Won't start Tried to start my just overhauled engine.=20 Did cough a couple of times after I dumped a bit of fuel in = through the intake ports.=20 There is fuel in the carb bowls.=20 May have an air leak somewhere in intake path.=20 I think I read not to use ether, but use WD40 instead?=20 Should I spray some Marvel Mystery Oil into the cambers to get = better sealing?=20 No more time to experiment today, so any tips for tomorrow are = appreciated.=20 Finn --=20 Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything=20 Crossville, TN; Chapter 5=20 Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3F530.8B74D170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When I tried to start my one-rotor for = the first=20 time, it took me one whole day to solve the non existent compression = problem.=20 Everything came out of my junk box including out of spec apex seals. To = make a=20 long story short, a couple squirts of motor oil into one of the spark = plug holes=20 made it start up every time. It never hurt the plugs.

Keep in mind, if you get fuel in there = without=20 firing up, it washes out the oil from the seals and makes the = compression even=20 worse.

Other then compression, the rotary is = very=20 forgiving about conditions for running, such a mixture and ignition = timing.=20

Richard Sohn
N-2071U
unicorn@gdsys.net
www.gdsys.net/WWWmember= s/unicorn/

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Sower
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 = 10:42=20 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Won't=20 start

IMO starting fluid is like lots and lots of other = things ... a=20 good practice, but a bad habit. If you have compression, a shot = of ether=20 will start it and clear flooded plugs. I used it for years and = years in=20 the auto repair business with NO bad results or side effects. = Don't use=20 a whole lot, and don't run on it for any significant time. A = shot to=20 clear floods and determine if engine is capable or running. =
Just a=20 theory .... Jim S.=20
Ed Anderson wrote:=20
I presume you ignition timing is = set=20 correctly and the correct wires are on the correct plugs. = Since you=20 are using a carb, it could be an air leak, but if you put fuel into = the=20 intake it should have started and ran until exhausting it - so not = certain=20 its your air path. Did you=20 do a compression check? Do you get the usually "whoomp" sound = when you=20 pull the prop through?A bit=20 more information would be good. Ed Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered=20
Matthews, NC=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Finn=20 Lassen
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft

Sent: Monday, February 16, = 2004 2:28=20 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Won't=20 start
Tried to start my just overhauled = engine.
Did cough a couple of times = after I=20 dumped a bit of fuel in through the intake ports. =
There is fuel in the carb bowls.
May have an air leak somewhere in intake = path.=20
I think I read not to use ether, but use WD40=20 instead?=20
Should I spray some Marvel Mystery Oil into the = cambers=20 to get better sealing?=20
No more time to experiment today, so any tips = for=20 tomorrow are appreciated.=20
Finn

--
Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything
Crossville, TN; = Chapter 5=20
Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T
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